Guy Kilmore Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 This was another good read and I can't say enough positive things about the series. I am really curious to hear more about the dragon world and I like how the Inys was not this doom defying weapon. (I also like the hint that maybe it wasn't the spiders that destroyed the dragons, but it might have been the various races of humanity revolting against their masters after they had been weakened by war.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Kilmore Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Double Post, but thinking on it. Geder is a great villain, one whose motivations I get. I find that dark overlords tend to be unknowable things, but I understand Geder and it makes him all the better. The only villains I can think of on that scale are like Lord Foul or Kennit from the Liveship Traders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I'm convinced Drakkis Stormcrow betrayed Inys. Particularly when you take into account the island was destroyed but that's not where Morade died - there is funny business going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Kilmore Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I'm convinced Drakkis Stormcrow betrayed Inys. Particularly when you take into account the island was destroyed but that's not where Morade died - there is funny business going on. I would not be surprised if that is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I'm convinced Drakkis Stormcrow betrayed Inys. Particularly when you take into account the island was destroyed but that's not where Morade died - there is funny business going on.Do you think it is important to the story? Does the possibility signal another twist in the Inys trope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterOJ Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I think it would be a nice parallel if Marcus winds up similarly betraying Inys to stop a second rise of the dragons. That seems like a real possibility, given what we've seen so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Is there a risk of the Dragons arrising to power again? Geder's toys took Inys down quite effectively. Inys can't breed by himself, can he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterOJ Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Well, when he was drunk he made some allusion to repopulating the world again with dragons. Not sure how accurate or not that was though, given his state at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 Is there a risk of the Dragons arrising to power again? Geder's toys took Inys down quite effectively. Inys can't breed by himself, can he? Well, when he was drunk he made some allusion to repopulating the world again with dragons. Not sure how accurate or not that was though, given his state at the time. Did we learn nothing from Jurassic Park?!!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyedGhost Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Well, when he was drunk he made some allusion to repopulating the world again with dragons. Not sure how accurate or not that was though, given his state at the time.He repeated that assertion when sober, but got depressed when he thought about how they wouldn't know that old dragons knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 The dragons were masters of genetic engineering and, given that he created the Timzinae, Inys was an adept of this art. However, it's one thing to breed variations of an existing species and quite another to reconstruct a species from a single adult male and maybe some long-dead corpses, particularly after most of your equipment was probably destroyed in a war or has rotted away centuries ago. He might be able to do it, but it would not be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyedGhost Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 The dragons were masters of genetic engineering and, given that he created the Timzinae, Inys was an adept of this art. However, it's one thing to breed variations of an existing species and quite another to reconstruct a species from a single adult male and maybe some long-dead corpses, particularly after most of your equipment was probably destroyed in a war or has rotted away centuries ago. He might be able to do it, but it would not be easy.I think the mountain-top fortress is evidence enough that that hasn't happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Gilfellon Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Didn't Inys vanish into that said fortress out of sight of the Marcus and the others for a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serious Callers Only Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 There is a obvious reference in the book to the biotech project that inys plans. To wit, he's going to genocide the 'non-human' races that have dragon blood in them to somehow extract part of the draconic 'essence' the progenitor dragons injected into them and believes this will allow him to hatch new dragons, which is probably total bullshit wishful thinking, knowing the author. There, there is part of the plot of the next or next to next book. Or maybe the author will by some miracle not totally hamfist Inys into obvious villany considering his obvious predisposition to it and the laying of ground that occurred in this book, and the process just requires genetic material collection (but marcus will backstab him anyway). Is there a risk of the Dragons arrising to power again? Geder's toys took Inys down quite effectively. Inys can't breed by himself, can he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbound Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Bought it today. Hope it doesn't suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Do you think it is important to the story?Does the possibility signal another twist in the Inys trope? I think it would be a nice parallel if Marcus winds up similarly betraying Inys to stop a second rise of the dragons. That seems like a real possibility, given what we've seen so far.First - Credit to Brook, I stole the theory from her :p I think what MrOJ said is the most likely place it goes, however I'll also throw in the possibility that when Inys pieces together what happens, he decides to kill poor old Murmus Stormcrow as the stand in for Drakkis Stormcrow in the modern age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 Bought it today. Hope it doesn't suck. With that kind of positive attitude, its bound to be a bountiful literary joy for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbound Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 With that kind of positive attitude, its bound to be a bountiful literary joy for you.Pfft. For me, that's downright giddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 First - Credit to Brook, I stole the theory from her :p I think what MrOJ said is the most likely place it goes, however I'll also throw in the possibility that when Inys pieces together what happens, he decides to kill poor old Murmus Stormcrow as the stand in for Drakkis Stormcrow in the modern age.Are you suggesting that Inys may have actually been the villain in the last war? I guess I just don't see the story going in that direction. The trope of the dragon within the story had been playing second fiddle for the most part. I can envision Inys going away with little fanfare in light of the story's ultimate solution. Maybe I'm just reading into it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illrede Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Are you suggesting that Inys may have actually been the villain in the last war? I guess I just don't see the story going in that direction. The trope of the dragon within the story had been playing second fiddle for the most part. I can envision Inys going away with little fanfare in light of the story's ultimate solution. Maybe I'm just reading into it wrong.While I'm fairly confident that Inys's "prank" had a bodycount in the millions, he was fighting against The End of Doubt and currently he isn't any kind of villian so much as out-of-context. Reptillian god-kings lack legitimacy, and dragon armies are a solved problem.There is already large impact in a dog that didn't bark, though. If Inys had not been in Northcoast when the rogue priests arrived, the situation would be significantly different. No fanfare, but still overwelmingly important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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