Small Questions v. 10100

[tank-jones]

Quick question,what is known about the shadow city of dorne, all I can find is references from the first dornish war and a description of a few allys and houses, what was its point? when was it built?

[RumHam]

Quick question,what is known about the shadow city of dorne, all I can find is references from the first dornish war and a description of a few allys and houses, what was its point? when was it built?

I don't know when it was built, but it was there during the First Dornish War as you said. Presumably it sprung up shortly after Sunspear did, or after Sunspear became the capitol. It doesn't really have a point, such towns tend to establish themselves around major castles because they are centers of trade. You need a place for the non-nobles to live.

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

Quick question,what is known about the shadow city of dorne, all I can find is references from the first dornish war and a description of a few allys and houses, what was its point? when was it built?

The shadow city is basically the city surrounding Sunspear.. The chapter The Soiled Knight (13) in A Feast for Crows completely takes place in the shadow city.

From The World of Ice and Fire

The castle sits on a spur of land, surrounded on three sides by water...and on the fourth side by the shadow city. Though the Dornish may call it a city, it remains no more than a town, and a queer, dusty, ugly town at that. The Dornish built up against the walls of the Sunspear, then built up against the walls of their neighbors' homes, and so on out, until the shadow city took on its current form. Today, it is a warren of narrow alleys, bazaars filled with the spices of Dorne and the east, and the homes of the Dornish built of mud brick that remains cool even in the height of the burning summer.

[Lord Wraith]

The shadow city is basically the city surrounding Sunspear.. The chapter The Soiled Knight (13) in A Feast for Crows completely takes place in the shadow city.

From The World of Ice and Fire

The castle sits on a spur of land, surrounded on three sides by water...and on the fourth side by the shadow city. Though the Dornish may call it a city, it remains no more than a town, and a queer, dusty, ugly town at that. The Dornish built up against the walls of the Sunspear, then built up against the walls of their neighbors' homes, and so on out, until the shadow city took on its current form. Today, it is a warren of narrow alleys, bazaars filled with the spices of Dorne and the east, and the homes of the Dornish built of mud brick that remains cool even in the height of the burning summer.

I also remember that it is the closest thing to a true city that Dorne has.

[The Wolves]

A few questions.

-Did Jaime take all the hostages from the Freys?

-Are most of the hostages Northern men?

-Are all the hostages taken to Casterly Rock? TIA

[Priscilla]

A few questions.

-Did Jaime take all the hostages from the Freys?

-Are most of the hostages Northern men?

-Are all the hostages taken to Casterly Rock? TIA

The only captives we know are Edmure, the Greatjon, Marq Piper, and Patrek Mallister, who got taken to the siege of Seagard and is being held there since they surrendered. I'm not sure if they have any more but if they were of the Riverlands we'd know because Jaime deals with all the relevant Houses, so any other captives must be of the North. We never see Greatjon released and Edmure is escorted with the Westerlings to Casterly Rock; if anyone else was released it probably would have been mentioned then. We know Jaime wanted all the hostages, because he tells multiple Freys this as a royal decree, but it seemed to be a prickly negotiation issue because the first person he wanted to tell Walder Frey about it got hanged by BwB (Ryman Frey) and Walder Rivers says his father will expect recompense, which Jaime seems loath to give up. After that he leaves to deal with the Blackwoods and Brackens and runs into Brienne, so he hasn't been around to oversee the transfer. Unless there's some sort of meta evidence like an SSM, the textual evidence suggests the Freys still have a few. On the other hand, it's odd Jaime would leave without getting the hostages, but he may have deemed it a lesser priority; either way, no further mention is made except when he says once again that Edmure is off to CR.

So, 1. indeterminate, but the captives are listed as POWs in the appendices of both AFFC and ADWD so they can't have been released during AFFC (I think?) 2. yes 3. indeterminate but I doubt it, Edmure is Jaime's captive ('you may go to Casterly Rock as my captive and enjoy all the comforts and courtesy that befits a hostage of your rank'), whereas when he asks for the other RW captives, he says that King Tommen requires them, i.e. it's a Crown issue and he's pulling rank. Which probably means they're intended to be ransomed back.

[grufolo]

I would like to know if someone already reviewed the role of the vows in keeping the crows from producing male offspring, Craster's children, whose males have a different date than females, and the role of the offering of children to the others in the cavity of the huge heart tree in that little abandoned village over the wall (cannot remember the name) .

Also the sex of the others should be related to the female Other who sways the night's king. As no other females others are known.

I am convinced this has a crucial role in the lore of the Others, but I cannot find a comprehensive theory about it.

[tank-jones]

Has anyone asked George in an interview yet about the heirachy of the others? If so could someone please leave me a quite or link to the interview- thanks :)

[Lost Melnibonean]

I would like to know if someone already reviewed the role of the vows in keeping the crows from producing male offspring, Craster's children, whose males have a different date than females, and the role of the offering of children to the others in the cavity of the huge heart tree in that little abandoned village over the wall (cannot remember the name) .

Also the sex of the others should be related to the female Other who sways the night's king. As no other females others are known.

I am convinced this has a crucial role in the lore of the Others, but I cannot find a comprehensive theory about it.

Send a PM to Lucifer means Lightbringer. He's written a ton of stuff up your alley lately. Also, check out the Heresy threads.

[Lost Melnibonean]

Has anyone asked George in an interview yet about the heirachy of the others? If so could someone please leave me a quite or link to the interview- thanks :)

Here's a Google search of SSM for Others. Adding hierarchy returned nothing...

http://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&ei=QVBjVZqeDJX-sASLlIKYBw&q=hierarchy+others+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.westeros.org%2FCitadel%2FSSM&oq=hierarchy+others+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.westeros.org%2FCitadel%2FSSM&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.12...3949.27387.0.29332.21.21.0.4.4.0.455.3932.2j13j4j1j1.21.0....0...1c.1.64.mobile-gws-hp..9.12.1734.3.eArq2_oF6lE#q=others+site:http:%2F%2Fwww.westeros.org%2FCitadel%2FSSM

[tank-jones]

is the prince that was promised and azor ahai been confirmed as the same theory,I know of the interview where George says something about it but most people felt it wasn't a full confirmation anyway I don't know if HBO shows it in America but in the UK after game of thrones there is thronecast and last night they did a section on the red god where they referred to the red priests as hunting for a saviour known as the prince that was promised, the show probably is shown in America but I'm not sure haha

[Lost Melnibonean]

is the prince that was promised and azor ahai been confirmed as the same theory,I know of the interview where George says something about it but most people felt it wasn't a full confirmation anyway I don't know if HBO shows it in America but in the UK after game of thrones there is thronecast and last night they did a section on the red god where they referred to the red priests as hunting for a saviour known as the prince that was promised, the show probably is shown in America but I'm not sure haha

Melisandre refers to Stannis as Azor Ahai reborn and the prince that was promised at different times, apparently interchangeably. When Melisandre talks about Stannis's purpose at the Wall Aemon asks where is the prince that was promised and Melisandre has Stannis show him the swordm

[Humble Maester]

Has anyone asked George in an interview yet about the heirachy of the others? If so could someone please leave me a quite or link to the interview- thanks :)

I would assume this would very much be one of those "keep reading" questions.

[RumHam]

Could someone who has the app quote the passage that tells us Robb named Jon his heir? I read that that was confirmed in the app here:

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/77776-stuff-thats-confirmedhinted-at-in-awoiaf-app-v2/

yet apparently at the recent convention Martin was asked about it and refused to confirm:

Will Jon ever find out that he was legitimised (sp?) by Robb in his Will? - (In George's curious voice) We don't know that is what happened. At this point, the person asking the question tried to get more out of him (unsuccessfully)

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/129351-questions-for-grrm-at-conquest-46/page-6

[Jon Fossoway]

It is said that Lord Commander Hoare commanded 10.000 swords when his brother Harren was slain by Aegon. That strikes me kinda odd. Sure, 300 hundred years went by, but I think the Watch having lost nearly 9.500 men is too much. Has Martin ever referred to this?

[aryagonnakill#2]

^What I think gets missed about the decline of the watch is that the kingdoms were constantly at war with each other before the Targs arrived. While there have still been wars afterwards, it is nothing compared to the constant back and forth before. Lords would have rebelled more often as well as there was no king above their own to settle the matter.

Edit: We are also told that after the death of the last dragon the summers became shorter and the winters longer and harsher.

[Nittanian]

Could someone who has the app quote the passage that tells us Robb named Jon his heir? I read that that was confirmed in the app here:

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/77776-stuff-thats-confirmedhinted-at-in-awoiaf-app-v2/

yet apparently at the recent convention Martin was asked about it and refused to confirm:

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/129351-questions-for-grrm-at-conquest-46/page-6

Robb Stark entry: "So, leaving Jeyne behind with her mother, Robb marches to the Twins for Edmure's wedding. Along the way, he concludes that he must make sure Winterfell has an heir should anything happen to him, and over Catelyn's objections legitimizes Jon Snow and names him his heir. At the same time, Robb learns of Balon Greyjoy's death and discusses his plans for using the crannogmen to attack Moat cailin from the swamp side. He signs the decree naming Jon his heir, then sends Galbart Glover and Maege Mormont on longships to seek out the crannogmen and prepare them for the coming battle."

[Balerion's Whiskers]

"Some may." Could the skulls in her vision have signified this bridge? Somehow Melisandre did not think so. "If it comes, that attack will be no more than a diversion. I saw towers by the sea, submerged beneath a black and bloody tide. That is where the heaviest blow will fall."

"Eastwatch?"

Was it? Melisandre had seen Eastwatch-by-the-Sea with King Stannis. That was where His Grace left Queen Selyse and their daughter Shireen when he assembled his knights for the march to Castle Black. The towers in her fire had been different, but that was oft the way with visions. "Yes. Eastwatch, my lord."

Well, we all believe that it isn't Eastwatch Mel saw...she doesn't even think so. The only two places that it might be is Oldtown or The Iron Islands that I can figure. But she says "towers" and Oldtown is only known for one tower of any magnitude that I know of. Could she be seeing a Greyjoy downfall or extermination? It doesn't really fit with the context of the rest of the story, but neither does Oldtown. Shadow Tower is inland from the sea, so that visual doesn't really match either.

Mel's visions are such a jumble it is hard to figure them out because of her own faulty interpretations, but this has puzzled me for years...where were the fallen towers in your opinions?

[fullillegal]

Is there any theory about Jeyne Westerling=Jeyne in Stoneheart company? if I remember correctly, they age, appearance and "healing ability"(both Robb and Brienne got a first aid) are similar.

[Lost Melnibonean]

Is there any theory about Jeyne Westerling=Jeyne in Stoneheart company? if I remember correctly, they age, appearance and "healing ability"(both Robb and Brienne got a first aid) are similar.

I would seriously doubt it. Jeyne is still at Riverrun shortly after we meet Jeyne Heddle.