Rant and Rave without Repercussion [Book Spoilers]

[kissdbyfire]

I'm sure he's contractually obliged not to diss the show. However, my only real worry is that he may think the show's changes are what the book readers like.

Nooooooooooooooo!!

He would never, I am quite sure. He won't say anything for several reasons, I imagine. But I believe he knows not only how good the books are, but having worked in TV as well, he knows these scripts are shite.

Martin is a wonderful storyteller, these guys are anything but.

[Annara Snow]

What was the overall consenus on Lost when that began to wane in quality (well... moreso than originally)? I really want GoT to have the same treatment is not worse because it deserves it. I mean, creatively it makes sense, because I want it to happen.

Lost went off the rails, but never anywhere this bad as GoT. I'm not even sure if Heroes post-season 2 is a good comparison, either. At least they did not go out of their way to be as offensive as possible.

I don't know if there was every anything that got so bad as GoT season 5. Maybe some telenovelas, but not anything that started out fine and was considered a quality show. Reading those summaries, it really feels like D&D must have intentionally set out to make the worst season of TV ever and piss off everyone.

[Red Helm]

Stannis in the books believes his path with will ultimately destroy him in the process yet fights on to serve the realm and out of a belief that he owes it to Shireen and even Robert. Stannis in the show (as far as I recall) is under no such impression he will die and fights solely for the throne for himself, not for the realm against the true enemy.

[The Boastful Knight]

Not me. Very few of the actors match my mind's eye (or ear, in Dinklage's case) for the characters.

The two best examples are Cersei and Dany for me. I have nothing against how the actresses look (although I think they're both prettier with their natural hair colour), but they just don't fit the images in my mind at all, Most of the others fit their descriptions well enough and some ar just perfect. John Bradley, for example, IS Sam. And then we have someone like Charles Dance, who doesn't really match book Tywin in the looks department, but thanks to his sheer brilliance, in my mind, he is now Tywin. His portrayal is so good that show Tywin is actually among the very few instances where the show outdid the books in my opinion.

[Mithras]

I see you've jumped on the Night's King bandwagon. I think I'll join you there.

The NK does not sacrifice babies.

[Red Helm]

Lost went off the rails, but never anywhere this bad as GoT. I'm not even sure if Heroes post-season 2 is a good comparison, either. At least they did not go out of their way to be as offensive as possible.

I don't know if there was every anything that got so bad as GoT season 5. Maybe some telenovelas, but not anything that started out fine and was considered a quality show. Reading those summaries, it really feels like D&D must have intentionally set out to make the worst season of TV ever and piss off everyone.

I think people are so draw to GoT and fail to recognise its terrible writing is due to it being a very high form of escapism... in that it is a completely fictional world so unlike our own in many ways.

[Eucratides_Megas]

When GRRM reads the fan letter he'll turn to his editor and command her to call the banners. Every last one.

Well that's two who seem to like the idea of a fan letter to GRRM about this bull. Can I get a third?

Seriously, I will draft a statement along the broadest possible lines for every character, including the characters I dislike (Daenerys, etc...), whose fans feel this adaptation has ruined them.

So everyone, cite every point you feel this show has butchered GRRM's characters, and I'll compile them and go from there if you like.

I want GRRM to put this show in a freaking quarantine bubble and not let any of it pollute the works he has yet to release.

[Bironic]

Personally, I wouldn't have mind if Renly had thrown a cucumber at him.. :dunno:

"Look at me eating this phallic object... because I'm gay"

:rofl:

[Chebyshov]

I think people are so draw to GoT and fail to recognise its terrible writing is due to it being a very high form of escapism... in that it is a completely fictional world so unlike our own.

But escapism requires a suspension of disbelief and...I really don't see how people could manage that this season. Like, at all.

[kissdbyfire]

Are you saying the show is sexist or something? I wouldn't know :dunno:

Well, he was going to burn Edric...

:lol: <<<

Many ways to read that, Martin's genius at work. The Ds never stood a chance.

The way I see the Edric situation is, he releases Davos and he knows Davos will make the decision for him in a way.

[HexMachina]

JOIN THE PENNY DREADFUL BANDWAGON INSTEAD! :p

[Red Helm]

But escapism requires a suspension of disbelief and...I really don't see how people could manage that this season. Like, at all.

Well, their investment in ASoIaF is small compared to ours. I also think too many make the mistake of "I really enjoy this" = masterful, brilliant Shakespeare/Dostoevsky/Homer, etc-turn-in-their-graves-out-of-jealousy-writing. I'll admit to being entertained by Troy when I first saw it the Saturday before last though I would not insist it is well written. Others do with that mistake.

[The Northern Scholar]

Ugh, it's like when people recite "if you think this has a happy ending..." god. What an infuriating way to ignore what people are saying while simultaneously shutting down a conversaion.

And I don't think anyone gets Dorne, even show apologists :dunno:

Exactly. No one here (I think) is saying the show should whitewash violence against women or other forms of debauchery. But it's like Cheb's has said on tumblr: depiction =/= endorsement. I want those scenes to make sense and advance narratives and themes; not titillate or provide shock value for the sake of shock value.

[Ser Quork]

Same. What I do that helps is look at really good fanart or fancastings on tumblr (they do really good edits!) if I do have a problem seeing my own characters.

I agree that very few of the actors match the characters in my head. But a lot of them do a good job of overcoming their looks and do a great performance.

:agree:

God no, please no more Talisa :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:

I do agree with the bolded part.

He would never, I am quite sure. He won't say anything for several reasons, I imagine. But I believe he knows not only how good the books are, but having worked in TV as well, he knows these scripts are shite.

Martin is a wonderful storyteller, these guys are anything but.

Absolutely.

Lost went off the rails, but never anywhere this bad as GoT. I'm not even sure if Heroes post-season 2 is a good comparison, either. At least they did not go out of their way to be as offensive as possible.

I don't know if there was every anything that got so bad as GoT season 5. Maybe some telenovelas, but not anything that started out fine and was considered a quality show. Reading those summaries, it really feels like D&D must have intentionally set out to make the worst season of TV ever and piss off everyone.

That's a good comparison, because I have to say that this season's writing is spectacularly poor. I can't believe more critics aren't calling them on this.

[Cas Stark]

But escapism requires a suspension of disbelief and...I really don't see how people could manage that this season. Like, at all.

Unless you are the lowest common denominator of consumer whose only interested in shocks and wow and who doesn't pay attention to anything beyond OMG dragons, OMG look at that xyz/violent death/boobs, then it's impossible not to see the drop in quality from the standpoint of the show making sense of it's own storylines.

And yes, they were playing the slapping game. What else is there to say. The slapping game in prestige TV? Um, I don't thinkso.

[JonCon's Red Beard]

Lost went off the rails, but never anywhere this bad as GoT. I'm not even sure if Heroes post-season 2 is a good comparison, either. At least they did not go out of their way to be as offensive as possible.

I don't know if there was every anything that got so bad as GoT season 5. Maybe some telenovelas, but not anything that started out fine and was considered a quality show. Reading those summaries, it really feels like D&D must have intentionally set out to make the worst season of TV ever and piss off everyone.

But no one expect telenovelas being more that what they offer. That's why those who are somehow different get so much praise. Whenever my mon starts to watch one, I know how it will end: pretty wallflower gets loved by handsome rich boy. They get apart due to destiny and reunite after she gives birth to his child. Fin.

At first, people expected GoT be about people fighting each other for the IT. Then, people start to believe it was about people do awful things for the throne. Then, it was about OMG I CANNOT BELIEVE.

[R4W13Y]

I can't read through 64 pages of this thread so I apologize if my post has already been discussed at length, but what has been sticking with me MORE than the Shireen sacrifice is how D+D have turned Dany into a wuss of a woman, retreating and running away at every attack. This is the woman who wants to sit on the Iron Throne? When I was watching her in the pit last night all I could think was, "Come on woman, pick up a weapon and start defending yoruself!!" Instead she holds hands with Missendi?

In the books (Seven hells I'm so sick of saying that sentence), Dany literally jumps off the dias into the pits, picks up a discarded whip, and confronts Drogon head on, nearly getting burnt to a krisp. She doesn't just stand there in a circle cowering, she is in the thick of the action and repeatedly whips Drogon to get him to stop his attack.

ShowDany just stood there in her pretty white dress, closed her eyes, and *poof* Drogon appears. Beyond lame. I really wanted Dany to be the aggressor in that scene, as she is in the books, and remind everyone of the fearless woman who waled into a burning pyre. I believe the show could have actually benefitted from having that Dany come to the stage last night. Her Never Ending Story moment lost all it's meaning to me once Drogon showed up to "save" her rather than it be her "taming" him.

:bowdown:

The two best examples are Cersei and Dany for me. I have nothing against how the actresses look (although I think they're both prettier with their natural hair colour), but they just don't fit the images in my mind at all, Most of the others fit their descriptions well enough and some ar just perfect. John Bradley, for example, IS Sam. And then we have someone like Charles Dance, who doesn't really match book Tywin in the looks department, but thanks to his sheer brilliance, in my mind, he is now Tywin. His portrayal is so good that show Tywin is actually among the very few instances where the show outdid the books in my opinion.

Osha too, for me.

[The Boastful Knight]

Well, their investment in ASoIaF is small compared to ours. I also think too many make the mistake of "I really enjoy this" = masterful, brilliant Shakespeare/Dostoevsky/Homer, etc-turn-in-their-graves-out-of-jealousy-writing. I'll admit to being entertained by Troy when I first saw it the Saturday before last though I would not insist it is well written. Others do with that mistake.

I agree. i enjoy a lot of stupid things. I'm simple like that. Despite everything, I still enjoy watching GoT, if only for the laughs at this point. But being well written is a completely different thing.

[Red Helm]

I recall Dexter coming quite close to GoT. Like I was never a truly big fan though I recall the fat Cuban one (cannot recall his name) having trite subplot one season about a bar for him to immediately be a police officer again in the following season rendering that entire stupid subplot pointless as well. Pretty terrible wriitng.

[Red Helm]

I agree. i enjoy a lot of stupid things. I'm simple like that. Despite everything, I still enjoy watching GoT, if only for the laughs at this point. But being well written is a completely different thing.

It is indeed funny. The things people were horrified by, i.e. Sansa's rape and Shireen's burning I laughed at. If that makes me an evil, callous wretch, so be it however I find something funny when I am utterly surprised by the stupidity... the ineptitude of D&D week in, week out.