Tucu Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 alligators live in the North in the wild in this story, so why wouldn't a lizard be able to live inside the zoo of a Braavosi rich and famous? Though, you raise a great point, and I do think the alternative deserves some investigation. The disconnect probably means that Syrio didn't actually see those things in Braavos, and is, perhaps, confused about having lived in Braavos in the first place. :cool4: Syrio used to be a lemon farmer in Lys. He lived in a house with a red door until the evil landlord evicted him to house some entitled princess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanna Stormborn Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 alligators live in the North in the wild in this story, so why wouldn't a lizard be able to live inside the zoo of a Braavosi rich and famous? Though, you raise a great point, and I do think the alternative deserves some investigation. The disconnect probably means that Syrio didn't actually see those things in Braavos, and is, perhaps, confused about having lived in Braavos in the first place. :cool4: ahahhahaha ZING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanna Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Not buying it. He saw a zebra, a giraffe, a hippopotamus, a weird tiger, and an ostrich/terror bird. All exotic creatures for sure, but more realistic and more in line with what people from the feudal era would be fascinated by. It's almost like saying, "ya I saw a cat, dog, a mouse, oh ya and a unicorn" :rofl: lol so you see an Ostrich, and you think reptile/lizard? Okaaaaaaaaaaaaay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victarion Chainbreaker Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 alligators live in the North in the wild in this story, so why wouldn't a lizard be able to live inside the zoo of a Braavosi rich and famous? Though, you raise a great point, and I do think the alternative deserves some investigation. The disconnect probably means that Syrio didn't actually see those things in Braavos, and is, perhaps, confused about having lived in Braavos in the first place. :cool4: haha. very funny. like my new sig? (Alligators? What alligators? Perhaps you're thinking of one of the fantastical creatures George invented.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediterraneo Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Good catch everybody! I didn't control the citation, but from what posted I'd bet my money on the schyted beast on some version of the lizardy velociraptors seen in Jurassic Park. Something that is lizardy enough to be judged "a lizard" and not a bird by someone that doesn't know the meaning of the word "clade". To me, the "terrible lizard" is a rivindication. Syrio also says "walking" lizard, to say it moves differently from the others lizards he knows. I bet on a bypedal one, "walking" "as humans". Martin was referring to an extint creature in the way it was imagined in that time, the nineties. He is not a theropodolog nor it is his job to be scientifically exact. There are still many people around today that form a very internect active "BAND" saying that "Birds Are Not Dinosaurs" against every possible (current) scientifical analysis. My bet for the extinct (in our world) animal is because of the presence in the list of another extinct predator, near the first one. I bet against the Tasmanian Tiger and for a marsupial lion of some sort, like Thylacoleo or something similar. Another big extinct predator to show us that Braavos's Sealord's zoo is better than Zheng He's, better than any emir's one, better than any renassiance lord's one. I argue against bigger theropods, too, I guess that the lizards Forel saw were not heavier than some hundred kilos.People living in a world that has tamed dragons would have a try using these lizards for something more than spectacle, if they were avaible. And it would challenge the capacities of a medieval society to contain even an erbivoral Therizinosaurus. If you had multiples exemplaries of those, you would use it to work too. Like multiple variants of elephants in Volantis, like mammuths north of the Wall. Cheers everybody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterbumps! Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 haha. very funny. like my new sig? (Alligators? What alligators? Perhaps you're thinking of one of the fantastical creatures George invented.) what do you think Lizard Lions are? why would I have a problem with your sig? I've still never argued for or against lemongate. I merely took issue with the way it was being argued for, as well as many of the additional conclusions drawn, specifically when said further conclusions were being taken as fait accompli. ETA: just so tone isn't misconstrued, I meant my earlier post entirely as good-natured ribbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaeligar Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I always thought it was a komodo dragon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterbumps! Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 a lizard lion? no, it's this. There was also a real hard-hitting thread about it a while back, and Ran came in to confirm that George had described it as a crocodile-like creature for the person drawing the Sigil. (I think it may have been determined that the Mexican Staring Frog of Southern Sri Lanka was involved somehow, iirc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucu Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 what do you think Lizard Lions are? this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Syrio used to be a lemon farmer in Lys. He lived in a house with a red door until the evil landlord evicted him to house some entitled princess. :lmao: That's beautiful! :lmao: And while I knew what the lizard-lions were I still looked at House Reed's sigil, and now I want to sing Circle of Life from the Lion King. That's one flexible amphibian they've got. They should consider getting him a job at Cirque du Solael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename: Nymeria Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 (I think it may have been determined that the Mexican Staring Frog of Southern Sri Lanka was involved somehow, iirc). Booohooohoooo...I am the Mexican Staring Frog of Southern Sri Lanka! I am very scary...and dangerous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Wren Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Booohooohoooo...I am the Mexican Staring Frog of Southern Sri Lanka! I am very scary...and dangerous! Ahhh--but can the Mexican Staring Frog of Southern Sri Lanka also excel at hand-to-hand combat? No wonder Syrio told Arya about such a beast--she's all about the Huntin' and Killin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 And while I knew what the lizard-lions were I still looked at House Reed's sigil, and now I want to sing Circle of Life from the Lion King. Maybe we'll hear the song when the High Sparrow climbs to Visenya's hill, reveals himself as Howland Reed and shows Jon Snow to the crowd. "WEAAAAA WOOOOAAAA" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Orphalesion Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I bet against the Tasmanian Tiger and for a marsupial lion of some sort, like Thylacoleo or something similar. Another big extinct predator to show us that Braavos's Sealord's zoo is better than Zheng He's, better than any emir's one, better than any renassiance lord's one. I agree, most people if they were to look at a Tazzy Tiger would call it a "wolf with stripes on his butt" and it's name in German is indeed "Beutelwolf" "Marsupial Wolf". A Thlacoeo would match the description much better. Maybe we'll hear the song when the High Sparrow climbs to Visenya's hill, reveals himself as Howland Reed and shows Jon Snow to the crowd. "WEAAAAA WOOOOAAAA" :lmao: Now I have this picture on the High Sparrow holding up an adult, diapered Jon Snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slant Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 if dinosaurs are alive the connection between reptiles and birds would be pretty clear to see, so guess Blue would still be called a lizard even if she had feathers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanna Stormborn Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Dale Doback: On the count of three, name your favorite dinosaur. Don't even think about it. Just name it. Ready? One, two, three. Dale Doback/Brennan Huff: Velociraptor. Brennan Huff: Favorite non-pornographic magazine to masturbate to. Dale Doback/Brennan Huff: Good Housekeeping. Brennan Huff: If you were a chick, who's the one guy you'd sleep with? Dale Doback/Brennan Huff: John Stamos. Dale Doback: [stomps foot] What? Brennan Huff: Did we just become best friends? Dale Doback: Yep! [they high five each other] Brennan Huff: Do you wanna do karate in the garage? Dale Doback: Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bastard Snow Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Maybe we'll hear the song when the High Sparrow climbs to Visenya's hill, reveals himself as Howland Reed and shows Jon Snow to the crowd. "WEAAAAA WOOOOAAAA"HOLY SHIT. That's why all of the Golden Company elephants are in the story.They know they must survive to herald Jon as the King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taenqyrhae Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 what do you think Lizard Lions are? Not alligators or crocodiles. That's what I thought they were too, large carnivorous reptiles living in swamps, seems obvious when all the other animals except dragons are real creatures. Then I saw an excerpt from an earlier SF story by GRRM that featured lizard-lions and their description was very un-crocodilian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename: Nymeria Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 ...which is good, because crocodiles (and alligators) are apex predator that lived through the K-T extinction. Physically unchanged for a hundred million years, because it's the perfect killing machine. A half ton of cold-blooded fury, the bite force of 20,000 Newtons, and stomach acid so strong it can dissolve bones and hoofs. What's next? One of the characters having a brain aneurysm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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