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4 hours ago, kairparavel said:

Good to see Dudley Dursley getting work so far from 4 Privet Drive. 

Did the books have any slight intimations re: deviant priests like Lord Boreal suggested this episode? I really should restart and finish the original trilogy. 

Also, and roll your eyes all you wish *L* I'm very much looking forward to Hot Priest as Colonel John Parry.

Not really, but we see far less of the Magesterium in the books, which are primarily from Lyra and Will’s POV. If it is mentioned or alluded to at all i imagine its probably in the Amber Spyglass, which i will be rereading soon

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Really loved this episode, probably my favourite too date, which is saying something considering it lacked Ruth Wilson's presence!

 

Will! That was a (pleasant) surprise. I think it's a necessary change too having thought about it a little, since we get a lot of back story and context from his thoughts in the book, which obviously needs to be changed for the visual medium. Also a big fan of how they have done Lord Boreal so more screen time for him is a welcome addition. 

Putting Will in a boxing class seems weird though, unless this is maybe going to be instead of his piano classes and the boxing coach will be the piano teach equivalent? "My door is always open" points that way I guess.

Or was this a PE lesson and so it was mandatory? It just seems uncharacteristic for Will to do anything extra-curricular, as he is so focused on caring for his mother and keeping her difficulties hidden. 

Will and his mother were so lovely together. Also his t-shirt was from Next :D it's  the little details you know... 

 

 

Dafne Keen continues to grow on me, especially in her interactions with Lee and Iorek. She is getting to show a much greater range now. Her and Lee are utterly charming together though, as they should be. And Lee and Iorek, I feel like I need to see more of them together. 

I also thought Ma Costa was decent this episode too after finding the performance from Ann Marie Duff poor in previous episodes. 

Maybe this was just me but there seemed to be much more Daemon presence this episode. Like when we got to see the Gyptian convoy, all their daemons were seen in passing. 

Serafina! :love: I mean, I loved Eva Green in the role but I can take Ruta Gedmintas in the role. Interesting choice to have the character so battle scarred as they did though. I did like the scene between her amd Fader Coram, rather touching.

Lyra riding Iorek looked a bit odd, don't know if that was just me. Just seemed very apparent that this was CGI in contrast to some other scenes. Shame, because Iorek looks magnificent otherwise. 

As said above, Iorek and Lyra's dynamic was fantastic. Probably better done than in the book, where their affection for one another is mentioned a lot but there isn't so much justification for why this is the case, the two sharing not too many scenes or too much time together. 

Omg how adorable was Pan as the, um.... Arctic Fox? Whatever, so adorable. And him and Lyra approaching the shed was really well done too. Changing from Tony Makarios to Billy Costa was an expected change. 

Ann Marie Duff really did sell me this episode actually as I found myself tearing up when she was reunited with Billy. Painful scene. 

 

Next week looks fantastic 

 

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2 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said:

Really loved this episode, probably my favourite too date, which is saying something considering it lacked Ruth Wilson's presence!

I think where this adaptation works so much better than the movie is that in an episode like this it manages to bring a lot of emotion into the story where the movie felt like a lightweight adventure by comparison. The scenes with Billy Costa did a good job of showing the stakes they are fighting for.

We were speculating about whether we would see Will in this season and we definitely saw plenty of him here. It seemed like a good introduction to him.

2 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said:

Serafina! :love: I mean, I loved Eva Green in the role but I can take Ruta Gedmintas in the role. Interesting choice to have the character so battle scarred as they did though. I did like the scene between her amd Fader Coram, rather touching.

I thought James Cosmo did some great work in this episode.

Omg how adorable was Pan as the, um.... Arctic Fox? Whatever, so adorable.

 And him and Lyra approaching the shed was really well done too.

Again they are doing a good job of using the daemons to show their human's emotions with Pan expressing the nervousness Lyra is trying to hide. Similarly with mournful Pan at the funeral.

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Really enjoyed the latest episode though not much to say about it. Book spoiler:

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Lee Scoresby's fate is going to be pretty painful to watch when/if the TV show gets to it - must prepare the tissues. Wasn't sure about the actor/writing for the character at first, but I've warmed to both

Loved the introduction of Will's backstory. I hadn't been looking forward to it at all, but in fact I found it absolutely gripping. Nina Sosanya and Amir Wilson were perfect.  Kind of a pity that they cut the piano for boxing - it's got me thinking about men and male behavior in HDM. Do we meet any with artistic/creative gifts? Come to that, do we meet any artistic women either? I expect I'm missing someone really obvious. 

The only regret really is Anne-Marie Duff. She's such a fine actress in other things;* she/the writing just feel so off in this somehow. 

Actually that's not true. My other regret is the singing bit, which I skipped. Not faulting Lucian Msamati's fine voice, but the musical episode knocked me out of the moment quite heavily. I ended up skipping forward a minute to avoid the sledgehammer lugubriousness.  I blame music vids. They're infecting TV. 

 

*Well, I think she probably is - I've only seen her in The Way We Live Now back in 2001, and Suffragette (liked the film, but she had a fairly minor part in it). 

 

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9 minutes ago, dog-days said:

Really enjoyed the latest episode though not much to say about it. Book spoiler:

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Lee Scoresby's fate is going to be pretty painful to watch when/if the TV show gets to it - must prepare the tissues. Wasn't sure about the actor/writing for the character at first, but I've warmed to both

Loved the introduction of Will's backstory. I hadn't been looking forward to it at all, but in fact I found it absolutely gripping. Nina Sosanya and Amir Wilson were perfect.  Kind of a pity that they cut the piano for boxing - it's got me thinking about men and male behavior in HDM. Do we meet any with artistic/creative gifts? Come to that, do we meet any artistic women either? I expect I'm missing someone really obvious. 

The only regret really is Anne-Marie Duff. She's such a fine actress in other things;* she/the writing just feel so off in this somehow. 

Actually that's not true. My other regret is the singing bit, which I skipped. Not faulting Lucian Msamati's fine voice, but the musical episode knocked me out of the moment quite heavily. I ended up skipping forward a minute to avoid the sledgehammer lugubriousness.  I blame music vids. They're infecting TV. 

 

*Well, I think she probably is - I've only seen her in The Way We Live Now back in 2001, and Suffragette (liked the film, but she had a fairly minor part in it). 

 

Think I've only seen her in Shameless with ex hubby James McEvoy.

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Was late to watch this weeks episode but I thought it was a huge step forward. Will and his mother were perfect, Lyra and Lee were excellent. Billy being separated was more impactful than the same character in the books (though he should have been hugging a fish for comfort as a proxy daemon?). 

All in all it was marvelous. 

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I really liked the episode, but agree that it would have been more impactful if Billy had been clutching a fish.

 

Again, it’s just something we have to put up with for budgeting reasons, but when Ma Costa was shouting “where’s his daemon!?”, my first thought was “well where’s yours?”

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Two things

Having just read The Secret Commonwealth

I expected people to freak out A LOT more about the missing daemon - so that part felt a little subdued, or certainly less impactful than I thought it would be.

and:

During the funeral pyre scene I thought the bereft-looking daemons were amazing. I glanced across at my husband to find that he was more intent on his bowl of dessert rather than the screen. The daemons were off the screen by the time he looked up again. I lunged across him to grab the remote to pause the TV and croaked 'YOU'RE MISSING THE BEST BIT!' The scene itself didn't make me cry, but I was just thinking that the daemons were the best bit about the show and to find he wasn't even watching it really annoyed me. So then I rewound the scene and made him watch it again, going 'LOOK AT THEM'. :)

 

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7 hours ago, Stannis Eats No Peaches said:

I really liked the episode, but agree that it would have been more impactful if Billy had been clutching a fish.

I did miss that bit, in the book it did emphasise how traumatised he was by his daemon being missing.

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46 minutes ago, williamjm said:

I did miss that bit, in the book it did emphasise how traumatised he was by his daemon being missing.

Yeah, Tony clutching "Ratter" was such a horrible thing it's stayed with me for decades. To me it's the most brutal episode in HDM. That's saying something given what's passed (Belle Sausage) and what's to come. 

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2 hours ago, redriver said:

Belle Sausage -don't you just love autocorrect.:D

Malcolm would not be happy with that.

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On 12/3/2019 at 10:43 PM, dog-days said:

Really enjoyed the latest episode though not much to say about it. Book spoiler:

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Lee Scoresby's fate is going to be pretty painful to watch when/if the TV show gets to it - must prepare the tissues. Wasn't sure about the actor/writing for the character at first, but I've warmed to both

Loved the introduction of Will's backstory. I hadn't been looking forward to it at all, but in fact I found it absolutely gripping. Nina Sosanya and Amir Wilson were perfect.  Kind of a pity that they cut the piano for boxing - it's got me thinking about men and male behavior in HDM. Do we meet any with artistic/creative gifts? Come to that, do we meet any artistic women either? I expect I'm missing someone really obvious. 

The only regret really is Anne-Marie Duff. She's such a fine actress in other things;* she/the writing just feel so off in this somehow. 

Actually that's not true. My other regret is the singing bit, which I skipped. Not faulting Lucian Msamati's fine voice, but the musical episode knocked me out of the moment quite heavily. I ended up skipping forward a minute to avoid the sledgehammer lugubriousness.  I blame music vids. They're infecting TV. 

 

*Well, I think she probably is - I've only seen her in The Way We Live Now back in 2001, and Suffragette (liked the film, but she had a fairly minor part in it). 

 

I just reread the Alamo chapter and it hurts to read it even more now as an adult than it ever did as a child. Am. Not. Ready! :( 

 

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5 hours ago, williamjm said:

Malcolm would not be happy with that.

:blink:.  Unless it was a really nice sausage, maybe with mustard and watercress in a fresh bread bun...

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