The Commentator Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 13 hours ago, Pray Harder said: Just reading the title of the thread, the first name that popped into my head was Big Walder. Forgot about Missandei, she's got to be extremely gifted but she's much less interesting than the future Lord of the Crossing. I'm a Big Walder fan and I sincerely hope he earns himself a white wolf pelt to warm his scrawny shoulders on cold winter days. That one is the future Lord of the Crossing. I'm glad people pointed his connection to the Blackwoods and Bloodraven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talvikorppi Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 4 hours ago, ShadowCat Rivers said: Nothing against Shireen, I actually quite like her, but I have the strong suspicion that the bolded claim is a show-only invention. But, since I could be wrong, can you please direct me to the book quotes that could provide evidence to this assertion? Many apologies, you are, of course right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 On 3/10/2017 at 4:51 AM, Lame Lothar Frey said: 1. Who in your opinion is the most intelligent pre-teen character in the story? 2. Please rank the list below in order of most intelligent down to the least. 3. Pick the most interesting character to you from the list below. Bran Stark Willa Manderly Big Walder Frey Arya Stark Missandei from Naath Myrcella Baratheon Rickon Stark Edric Dayne Shireen Baratheon Robin Arryn From most smart to least smart Missandei-know a good number of languages Shireen Baratheon-Pylos taught her, Edric Storm, and Davo's son Devan about about history and governance. She also remembers reading all about giants. She is actually what the House Florent see themselves to be(smart). Arya Stark-is good at math and was not a fan of Joffrey Myrcella-she is smartest Lannister of her generation(Joffrey was insane idiot)(Tomman is young).She is also smarter than her mom, Willa Manderly-She was great with her acting Bran Stark-having power is not a measure of intelligent Edric Dayne-we have not seen how smart he is Big Walder Frey-he was smart enough to plan liltle Walder's death(little Walder was going become another Ramsey). Rickon Stark-he is feral so when don't know how smart is he Robin Arryn-he was being baby so much that he is still imatture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen Marsh Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 On 3/10/2017 at 5:51 AM, Lame Lothar Frey said: 1. Who in your opinion is the most intelligent pre-teen character in the story? 2. Please rank the list below in order of most intelligent down to the least. 3. Pick the most interesting character to you from the list below. Bran Stark Willa Manderly Big Walder Frey Arya Stark Missandei from Naath Myrcella Baratheon Rickon Stark Edric Dayne Shireen Baratheon Robin Arryn Take note that I left Sansa Stark out because she is 13 of age and up for most of the story. And really, Sansa does not belong on any list of intelligence anyway. Pre-teen is an age before thirteen for the purpose of our survey. Missandei is the most intelligent pre-teen in ASOIAF. Ranking Missandei Egg Myrcella Big Walder Frey Shireen Big Walder is the one I'm more curious about. I think he planned the death of Little Walder. LW was starting to become like Ramsay and that is a threat to everyone around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 On 13/3/2017 at 10:30 PM, Phedra said: While that's true, being a child and a product of one's own harsh environment doesn't justify murderous tendencies. Her chapters are a good read but I can't say as much about her person and she's not headed towards a redemption arc either... Arya is one of the most *wounded* characters in the story and she still has a good heart, all she has done was in order to survive. On 13/3/2017 at 11:46 PM, DutchArya said: I can't even deal with how awesome this place has been lately. So many FACTS being stated so artfully regarding Arya. I just read all these posts all and content. @ShadowCat Rivers @GhostNymeria @Jon's Queen Consort @rotting sea cow I am not sure that I understand what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a black swan Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Jon's Queen Consort said: I am not sure that I understand what you mean. It was a thumbs up at how the false assumptions on Arya have been thoroughly dismantled in this topic. I enjoyed your posts in this topic along with the other people I listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, DutchArya said: It was a thumbs up at how the false assumptions on Arya have been thoroughly dismantled in this topic. I enjoyed your posts in this topic along with the other people I listed. I see. Sorry for not understanding it and thank you for explaining it. I believe that people confusing 11years old bookArya with much older tvseriesArya and that is why they don't understand Arya's character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wm Portnoy Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Missandei Big Walder Myrcella Shireen Bran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wadsworth Longfellow Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Missandei Bran Big Walder Myrcella Shireen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King17 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Green-Lipped Mussel said: Missandei Bran Big Walder Myrcella Shireen Why do you think bran is so high up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wadsworth Longfellow Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 34 minutes ago, King17 said: Why do you think bran is so high up? He has an unfair advantage. Bloodraven is partly in his head. That sort of makes him smarter than he was normally gifted with at birth. He's smart for a Stark. It's hard to say. Big Walder is right up there too in terms of smarts and perceptiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lord of the Crossing Posted April 2, 2017 Author Share Posted April 2, 2017 It's a clear win for the little girl from the island of Naath. Missandei is the most intelligent pre-teen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigella Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 On 2017-03-10 at 11:51 AM, Lame Lothar Frey said: 1. Who in your opinion is the most intelligent pre-teen character in the story? 2. Please rank the list below in order of most intelligent down to the least. 3. Pick the most interesting character to you from the list below. Bran Stark Willa Manderly Big Walder Frey Arya Stark Missandei from Naath Myrcella Baratheon Rickon Stark Edric Dayne Shireen Baratheon Robin Arryn Take note that I left Sansa Stark out because she is 13 of age and up for most of the story. And really, Sansa does not belong on any list of intelligence anyway. Pre-teen is an age before thirteen for the purpose of our survey. Missandei from Naath Myrcella Baratheon Arya Stark - IMO most interesting Bran Stark Edric Dayne Shireen Baratheon Willa Manderly Big Walder Frey Robin Arryn Rickon Stark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-eyed Misbehavin Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 On March 25, 2017 at 6:31 AM, DutchArya said: It was a thumbs up at how the false assumptions on Arya have been thoroughly dismantled in this topic. I enjoyed your posts in this topic along with the other people I listed. Do you want me to give you actual quotes of some reasons she's the most intelligent? That would be too easy. She's my #1 by a wide margin, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roswell Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 9 hours ago, Lame Lothar Frey said: It's a clear win for the little girl from the island of Naath. Missandei is the most intelligent pre-teen. Obviously. She has intelligence and maturity beyond her years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontius Pilate Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Missandei is a good choice. It is said in book 1 that Myrcella Baratheon is accomplished at cyvasse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a black swan Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 9 hours ago, One-eyed Misbehavin said: Do you want me to give you actual quotes of some reasons she's the most intelligent? That would be too easy. She's my #1 by a wide margin, Please do! I would love to read them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Weirwoods Eyes Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Anyone who thinks Sansa is not intelligent is not a very observant reader. She shows intelligence from the very start. She also is very naive but she is not stupid. She knows her House histories, banners, and heraldry very well naming Renly & Barristan using this knowledge only, she is also perceptive enough to understand the value in conforming in a society which punishes non-conformity. She is intelligent enough to lie at the Trident and claim forgetfulness. (I won't be entering into the argument re this incident so don't even start) as to back her sister directly means to alienate her future husband and goodmother. But she is wise enough& loyal enough to not go against her own family either. She chooses the most neutral course she can in a difficult situation. She then is intelligent enough to keep her head down in KL after her fathers execution. Someone stupid would have lost their head within a fortnight. she realises her moonblood needs to be hidden from the Queen. Her lack of sucsess does not negate the fact she put two and two together, and then when caught, she is intelligent enough to lie convincingly to Cersei. She is good at lying in fact, her story that saves Dontos is an example of quick thinking, and then when she has been married to Tyrion we see him assessing her talents and he concludes that she is very good at working people, she uses all her knowledge of them as individuals and their houses to tailor her conversation; recalling peoples health concerns and personal situations. Then she very quickly assess her situation with LF and again concludes she's best keeping her head down. She manages to pull off her secret identity as Alayne in the Vale, and again uses her abillityto lie convincingly to retain her safety in the Vale via getting rid of marrilion and preventing her cover being blown by LF losing his post as Lord protector. After all if his posistion is taken, what happens to her as his daughter? She also works out his games and goes on to show that in her TWOW sample chapter too. Once again showing us her ability to read people and use her intelect and knowledge to manipulate things. Sansa has intelligence and is very good at realising peoples feelings and motivations. She's good at lying and making people feel like they are the ones leading the situation. I'm not saying she is a genius. But certainly she is intelligent and anyone who dismisses her as stupid has basically taken cersei's word for it. LMAO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Weirwoods Eyes Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 As to Arya being dark, yeah right! She's grey as grey as anyone else but she is not dark. She didn't randomly kill a singer. She as The Stark Because as far as she is concerned she is The Stark now. Sansa is a Lannister by marriage and possibly dead anyway, Jon is a brother of the NW and her other brothers are dead. She is acting as The Stark and she executed a NW deserter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowcrow Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Arya, Bran and Missandei (a.k.a: team smartass kids) Sansa doesn't count bc she's already a teen but i think she's a very smart and a perceptive young lady who is also a reliable narrator( well for now at least) And who ever calls her "stupid" bc of how she was like in the beginning, then i have really nothing to say other than the fact that she was a typical ELEVEN years old GIRL. Dreaming about Prince Charming, future kids, dresses and etc is a thing that any girl at that age (girly girls at least) or maybe even older would think/daydream about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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