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5 hours ago, SeanF said:

The fact that they've kept out of view since the series ended speaks books.

If they'd delivered something good, they'd be turning up to every event.  In fact, even if they delivered something that was controversial, you'd expect them to be willing to explain it.

But, they know they gave us a turd sandwich.

Yeah, they know they can't defend it, that's the key thing. They're not willing to come out and defend any of their story decisions, because they simply couldn't be arsed. That's the most infuriating thing about all this.

I don't know whether they're good or bad writers; I know Benioff wrote 25th Hour which is highly rated; my problem is with their attitude. I could forgive someone for being a bad writer, I can't forgive them for having a lazy attitude toward the source material.

The cast members keep insisting D+D cared so much about it but I don't buy it, not when the screenplays are filled with so many examples of just plain sloppy writing. I mean how hard is it to double-check which surname is supposed to be given bastards born in King's Landing? (Gendry Rivers, frigging hell)

Again, I get that the cast doesn't want to openly criticise people they've worked with for 8 years, but at least don't insult our intelligence by trying to pretend everything is a-okay when your showrunners aren't even willing to show their faces.

 

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On 8/4/2019 at 8:51 AM, Le Cygne said:

Oh, the scripts, the more you look the worse it gets, if that's even possible. I saved the Emmy-nominated ones (some winning!) before they had them pulled (yeah they pulled previous season ones, too)... and they are all just so atrocious.

They say someone is smart, so it must be true. They say, they don't show. (Ramsay is smart, who knew.) They make nonsensical pronouncements that have nothing to do with anything. They sound like 13 year old boys. They endlessly copy other works. 

And lots of repetition of common words, these are such bad scripts, there's no coherence, and not even basic mastery of the English language. Lots of the word fuck, and lots of times they just repeat themselves mindlessly:

  • the most tense moment of her very tense life
  • the Night's Watch knows how to keep prisoners imprisoned
  • the power that moves them is powerless
  • she tries to convince Arya by simply telling the truth, but the truth is not very convincing
  • then he sees something, what they brought him to see
  • we begin to see what he's seeing
  • adding further pressure to an already pressurized situation
  • the envoys exchange glances and laugh, oh, how they laugh!
  • because he's human and it's a natural human reaction
  • his expression asks her what the hell she's doing here, but unfortunately this is a question her expression is incapable of answering
  • Wun-Wun runs forward... Wun-Wun run fast!
  • it tastes better than anything the dog has ever tasted
  • the single greatest headbutt in the history of filmed headbutts
  • a strange response but Tyrion has come to expect strange answers

Yes, these are actual quotes from the scripts.

Here's their go-to word:

  • fuck this world
  • fuck it, why not
  • what the fuck do they do now?
  • fucking dragons
  • my tyranny's not ended, motherfucker
  • hurry the fuck out of the way
  • about fucking time
  • the Starks are fucked
  • Tyrion Lannister, motherfuckers
  • fucking punkass little shitburger
  • but fuck, he's not quitting
  • how the fuck did this happen?
  • how the fuck did he end up here?

And more eloquence:

  • tastes like day old cock cheese
  • the downside of freedom
  • it is pleasantly uncomfortable
  • the throne [is] just a dumb bystander
  • the thing keeps coming
  • if this thing doesn't do what it's supposed to do
  • this won't sound good
  • they're quite good at ...
  • it's a pretty damn good feeling
  • because she's very smart
  • but he is smart
  • these smart, experienced people
  • a badass of the first order
  • some badass-looking ...

Someone excerpted these and many more bad screenwriting examples on twitter...

LOL  Really, more scripts are missing? 

 

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16 hours ago, Count Balerion said:

In terms of scripts, one nugget I remember from a Dragon video is "She's cute as a bug!" That's Jon Snow ogling Dany in season 7. Dany, meanwhile, is thinking "maybe he's not as dumb as he looks."

And: People have probably seen this already, but:

 

LOL  I'm only a couple minutes in, and I have to say, THANK YOU!!  I needed the laugh, for various reasons.

I am still both creeped out by, and love, those google eyes of Dany's. 

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On 8/1/2019 at 8:32 AM, It_spelt_Magalhaes said:

Well, imo the Odissey makes for more manly storytelling. Insert sarcasm. No need for the complications of morally challenging choices in that part of the story. No need for daughter killing at all. And the wife was an adulterous moron, tada!. Not an agent of her own vengeance over a murdered daughter, as per the less flattering to the persona of the 'murdered king' version.

Or you could just have a captured slave girl kill him during the sack of Troy. Ugh.

Indeed.

I didn't see Benioff's Troy but just read this scathing review by Roger Ebert (this all sounds very familiar to viewers of Game of Thrones):

"Troy" is based on the epic poem The Iliad by Homer, according to the credits. Homer's estate should sue. The movie sidesteps the existence of the Greek gods, turns its heroes into action movie cliches and demonstrates that we're getting tired of computer-generated armies. Better a couple of hundred sweaty warriors than two masses of 50,000 men marching toward one another across a sea of special effects...

The best scene in the movie has Peter O'Toole creating an island of drama and emotion in the middle of all that plodding dialogue... O'Toole's presence is a reminder of "Lawrence of Arabia" (1962), which I saw again two weeks ago, and which proved that patience with dialogue and character is more important than action in making war movies work...

In a way, "Troy" resembles "The Alamo." Both are about fortresses under siege... One difference between the two movies is that Billy Bob Thornton and the other "Alamo" actors are given evocative dialogue, and deliver it well, while "Troy" provides dialogue that probably cannot be delivered well because it would sound even sillier that way.

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/troy-2004

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6 hours ago, Le Cygne said:

Indeed.

I didn't see Benioff's Troy but just read this scathing review by Roger Ebert (this all sounds very familiar to viewers of Game of Thrones):

"Troy" is based on the epic poem The Iliad by Homer, according to the credits. Homer's estate should sue. The movie sidesteps the existence of the Greek gods, turns its heroes into action movie cliches and demonstrates that we're getting tired of computer-generated armies. Better a couple of hundred sweaty warriors than two masses of 50,000 men marching toward one another across a sea of special effects...

The best scene in the movie has Peter O'Toole creating an island of drama and emotion in the middle of all that plodding dialogue... O'Toole's presence is a reminder of "Lawrence of Arabia" (1962), which I saw again two weeks ago, and which proved that patience with dialogue and character is more important than action in making war movies work...

In a way, "Troy" resembles "The Alamo." Both are about fortresses under siege... One difference between the two movies is that Billy Bob Thornton and the other "Alamo" actors are given evocative dialogue, and deliver it well, while "Troy" provides dialogue that probably cannot be delivered well because it would sound even sillier that way.

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/troy-2004

One thing that strikes  me about the whole story of the Iliad is that Achilles is not at all heroic (at least, not as we would see heroism).  He's a petulant brat who happens to be a good fighter.  Hector is far more obviously a heroic figure.

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I just read D&D signed a supposedly nine figures contract with Netflix after a very close bidding war? 

So, which is it? 

We all know GoT got big, bigger and eventually ginormous. All the while as the story telling itself lost depth, complexity and eventually all sense, the spectacle grew to unseen proportions, building the legend. 

The portion of fans who protested were sandbagged under the claim of, what was it?, an industry naysaying campaign?

The same industry that was oh so ready to (just like HBO when the 13 episode fracas was decided and they offered them litteral piles of gold to make the full ten episodes seasons) worship at the altar of their style of production? 

Again, which is it? 

In the end, HBO gets a 'live long and prosper' while D&D go Netflix? What about the Mouse House and their Star Wars dreams? 

Someone clear this up for me.

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10 hours ago, It_spelt_Magalhaes said:

I just read D&D signed a supposedly nine figures contract with Netflix after a very close bidding war? 

So, which is it? 

We all know GoT got big, bigger and eventually ginormous. All the while as the story telling itself lost depth, complexity and eventually all sense, the spectacle grew to unseen proportions, building the legend. 

The portion of fans who protested were sandbagged under the claim of, what was it?, an industry naysaying campaign?

The same industry that was oh so ready to (just like HBO when the 13 episode fracas was decided and they offered them litteral piles of gold to make the full ten episodes seasons) worship at the altar of their style of production? 

Again, which is it? 

In the end, HBO gets a 'live long and prosper' while D&D go Netflix? What about the Mouse House and their Star Wars dreams? 

Someone clear this up for me.

I wish I knew. Seems like tone deaf Hollwood good ole boys nonsense as usual. Think of all the more worthwhile projects that could have been made with that money.

Do not want to run across Benioff and Weiss crap ever again, so time to unsubscribe from Netflix. I'll just subscribe for a month when Stranger Things comes out again.

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11 hours ago, It_spelt_Magalhaes said:

I just read D&D signed a supposedly nine figures contract with Netflix after a very close bidding war? 

So, which is it? 

We all know GoT got big, bigger and eventually ginormous. All the while as the story telling itself lost depth, complexity and eventually all sense, the spectacle grew to unseen proportions, building the legend. 

The portion of fans who protested were sandbagged under the claim of, what was it?, an industry naysaying campaign?

The same industry that was oh so ready to (just like HBO when the 13 episode fracas was decided and they offered them litteral piles of gold to make the full ten episodes seasons) worship at the altar of their style of production? 

Again, which is it? 

In the end, HBO gets a 'live long and prosper' while D&D go Netflix? What about the Mouse House and their Star Wars dreams? 

Someone clear this up for me.

They'll probably destroy Netflix.

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2 hours ago, SeanF said:

They'll probably destroy Netflix.

The truth is that HBO is the one that is loosing a lot of money with merchandising, has a new series in GOT universe that now nobody knows how it will be received, has to deal with the bad publicity and anger this season created and D&D have 2 new mega projects... 

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16 hours ago, It_spelt_Magalhaes said:

I just read D&D signed a supposedly nine figures contract with Netflix after a very close bidding war? 

So, which is it? 

We all know GoT got big, bigger and eventually ginormous. All the while as the story telling itself lost depth, complexity and eventually all sense, the spectacle grew to unseen proportions, building the legend. 

The portion of fans who protested were sandbagged under the claim of, what was it?, an industry naysaying campaign?

The same industry that was oh so ready to (just like HBO when the 13 episode fracas was decided and they offered them litteral piles of gold to make the full ten episodes seasons) worship at the altar of their style of production? 

Again, which is it? 

In the end, HBO gets a 'live long and prosper' while D&D go Netflix? What about the Mouse House and their Star Wars dreams? 

Someone clear this up for me.

Once you're in the club, you're in the club. Big companies will only start taking notice of how criticism of D+D when it starts hurting them in the pocket.

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5 hours ago, teej6 said:

@It_spelt_Magalhaes They signed with Netflix. Thank the old Gods and the new for that. They were looking to get their grubby hands on the LOTR at Amazon.

Ech. Throw them in the fires of Mount Doom!

But @divica is right. They managed to brutalize the GoT fountain of miracles to the point the prospective next phase a la Marvel is now an uncertain mirage at HBO, while they are coming out smelling like roses and called masters of whatever.

The world of Hollywood is a many screwed up thing.

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1 minute ago, Darryk said:

Once you're in the club, you're in the club. Big companies will only start taking notice of how criticism of D+D when it starts hurting them in the pocket.

Right now it's HBO suffering. When it's their turn, other companies might think differently.  

Or not. And the wheel keeps on spinning, yay.

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