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10 hours ago, Simon Steele said:

And I don't mean to say he is a paragon--except to his own worldview. I think he believes "class fixes all" and he sticks to that. He has plenty of issues, and he is not a pure candidate. 

I apologize for the assumption:

10 hours ago, Simon Steele said:

I think it's interesting that Bernie (likely) has a fanbase in the alt-right. This is deeply troubling for me. I don't know how true it is that his diehard supporters are now alt-right, but if it is true, that's a real problem. The flip side of this, people like me get lumped into that group. It's the media's inability to deal outside of binary extremes. 

 

Definitely has a fan base. Like 1 in 10 Sanders supporters voted for Trump. 

10 hours ago, Simon Steele said:

I'll be interested to see how things shake out. I like Warren the best right now (I've always liked her the best, I think). If she isn't viable, and Harris is, then fine. I would even come around on Harris if she talked honestly and openly about her prosecutorial past. I saw Bill Maher angrily say she shouldn't do this to our candidates. "I hate Harris because she prosecuted people, when she used to be a prosecutor." I disagree with him.

I disagree with you here. Her being a prosecutor isn’t a fair point against her. But how she acted as Prosecutor could be critiqued. 

10 hours ago, Simon Steele said:

Gabbard is no progressive. She is borderline a Republican.

True. 

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2 hours ago, Week said:

Hey, congrats the to truthers for possibly getting one right. Good luck with your next staged/false flag crusade for the next pipe bomb sent to the media or leaders on the left, violent right-wing rally (endorsed by police) that is somehow antifa or a beaten/dead victim's fault, school shooting, or whatever horrific incident that guns, a right-winger, or whatever nut or nut policy that you choose to support. You are truly on the Right side of history.

eta- thank goodness this news came out for you all, so that you didn't have enough of a chance to embarrass yourself with the next AOC smear (like "employing" her boyfriend -- as if the GOP has a leg to stand of w.r.t nepotism (and it isn't in this case)).

I'm truly glad that you posted this.  It is a good reminder of the double-standards.

It's still disgraceful if Smollett did what it sounds like he might have done, but maybe I should get off of my high horse and trying to hold my side to higher standards.  They sure won't. 

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9 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

That whole Smollett thing is a mess.

I agree. How goddamn hard is it to meet in person in rural Illinois and hand over a bag of cash? This rank incompetence is truly infuriating. 

I mean they couldn't just snag a rope from somewhere? Fucking morons.

My after-curfew excursions were better thought out than this amateur shit.

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On 2/17/2019 at 3:28 AM, DireWolfSpirit said:

I feel compelled to direct attention to yet another disgraceful, bald faced lie by our lying pos President. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-abe-nobel-peace-prize_n_5c67b7a3e4b033a79942d86d

Not only is the President either lying about the Nobel nomination, or , unable to determine the difference between the leaders of S. Korea and Japan? The article points out that 2017 and 2018 Trump Nobel nominations were determined to be forgeries!!!! Where Nobel officials determined that the same individual "assumed the the identity" of a qualified nominator.

That someone not able to nominate him has tried does not equal that he has not been nominated. 

Of course, him bragging about it is standard, and him not knowing geography is .. unsurprising, it is common knowledge he has been nominated (a couple of Norwegian MPs, for instance, nominated him last year. Yes, they are both terrible legislators). 

He may think he'll get the prize if nominated. That just means he doesn't know the process. But his ignorance on ... everything ... is well documented.

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10 hours ago, Cas Stark said:

Based on the fact that he pointed out a camera to the cops where the 'attack' occurred, but it was pointed the wrong way, I think it's likely that they actually staged a fake fight, which is even more crazy, that he would risk the possibility that the two 'attackers' could be ID'd or at least their race determined from this footage, or that his choreography and acting skills would be sufficient for the two giant bodybuilders to inflict so little damage and leave w/out robbing him, taking his phone or his sandwich.  It will be interesting if the FBI does or doesn't tie him or the brothers to the letter he received.

Seriously.  What pair of bodybuilders-turned-robbers leave without the sandwich?  Leave the phone, take the sandwich.

 

eta: why would you take something that links you to the attack?

Edited by larrytheimp
The sandwich being purloined or not has been a fundamental of detective work since the sandwich's inception.

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5 hours ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

 

My after-curfew excursions were better thought out than this amateur shit.

Should change your handle to Jace Bagqueenista

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9 hours ago, Altherion said:

But that's the most hilarious part of this and also the most likely reason it was staged: the two brothers who are claiming that he paid them to stage this are bodybuilders from Nigeria who have worked with him before. Regardless of whether the brothers are saying the truth or not, "whites" have nothing to do with this attack.

Why is it hilarious that two bodybuilder brothers aren't white?  Please explain

 

Eta: ya know what's not funny?  Most victims of violence know their attacker

Edited by larrytheimp

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16 hours ago, Altherion said:

(Jussie Smollet attack for reference)

This is the main reason I don't like Booker. He is an opportunist and grand-stander and I don't really trust he has core beliefs other than self-promotion. Gillibrand too, to a lesser degree. I mean, politicians in general are self-promoters and lime-light hogs, but he seems to do it especially clumsily. We're not supposed to see through the act so easily.

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The Democratic divide on Free Trade.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/18/18215442/2020-presidential-election-trade-elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-kamala-harris

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It’s a pretty safe bet that no candidate is going to campaign as a free trader in the 2020 Democratic primary, setting up the potential for a large-scale realignment on a major policy issue for the party.

The Democratic Party faces a fork in the road, on an issue where President Donald Trump has scrambled all the old alliances.

“I think we’re at a tipping point,” says Thea Lee, who leads the lefty Economic Policy Institute, which is skeptical of free trade agreements. “You could see Democrats retreat to their comfort blanket. My hope is we can convince people that’s not an option. We’re not going to go back to the status quo ante. What we need to do is have a forward-looking vision.”

 

Likely worth reading as this debate heats up:

https://www.amazon.com/Open-Progressive-Immigration-Global-Capital/dp/0674919335

Kimberly Clausing has done a lot of good work on the issue of corporate taxes and other matters. It would be wise to pay attention to what she says.

Though I have to warn the book may only contain actual and concrete policy ideas and no "multi-stakeholder solutions" or "paradigm shifts" may be found.

Edited by OldGimletEye

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7 hours ago, larrytheimp said:

Why is it hilarious that two bodybuilder brothers aren't white?  Please explain

That they're not white matters because it's rather difficult to confuse a pair of Nigerians with local MAGA supporters that were described in the media prior to arrests, but the hilarious part is mainly that they're bodybuilders. As Cas Stark point out, if you look at a picture of those guys, it's completely incongruous that he fought them off as he claimed he did.

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4 hours ago, Gertrude said:

(Jussie Smollet attack for reference)

This is the main reason I don't like Booker. He is an opportunist and grand-stander and I don't really trust he has core beliefs other than self-promotion. Gillibrand too, to a lesser degree. I mean, politicians in general are self-promoters and lime-light hogs, but he seems to do it especially clumsily. We're not supposed to see through the act so easily.

This bothers me a bit too.  I want to like Booker, and I think he's really good on the stump but for this...it's a criticism you hear a lot.  I also think he's going to have to have good answers for ties to Wall Street and big pharma and seeming to lover charter schools.  All things that don't seem to fit the moment for his party's voters.  

Is Swalwell really going to get in?  Supposedly making an Iowa visit, and he's certainly been a mainstay on the cable news circuit.  What's his niche?  White man that doesn't have the track record of a Biden or a Bernie for better or worse?

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Another reminder that whenever Republicans accuse Democrats of voter fraud, they're just projecting.

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Lisa Britt, a worker for political operative McCrae Dowless, said during the North Carolina board of elections hearing Monday that Dowless instructed his employees to fill out illegally collected absentee ballots with votes for the Republican candidates.

 

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15 hours ago, larrytheimp said:

Why is it hilarious that two bodybuilder brothers aren't white?  Please explain

 

Eta: ya know what's not funny?  Most victims of violence know their attacker

It's ironic that they happen to be Nigerian though, with the whole Nigerian email scam meme.

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Vox has an interesting article about the California high-speed rail mess and why the infrastructure construction asked for in the Green New Deal is very unlikely to happen unless massive changes are made to how such projects are executed. Basically, the route of the train was designed to get the maximum amount of political support and included detours which made it both expensive and impractical. Furthermore, they knew that there would be delays and cost overruns and thus they started with building the network from the middle (i.e. by connecting two small relatively small cities rather than extending the rail network from Los Angeles or San Francisco) in the hopes that the entire project would become too big to fail. The end result is that the federal government has spent $3B on something that is unlikely to be useful to anyone in the near future.

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On 2/17/2019 at 8:04 PM, Varysblackfyre321 said:

I apologize for the assumption:

Definitely has a fan base. Like 1 in 10 Sanders supporters voted for Trump. 

I disagree with you here. Her being a prosecutor isn’t a fair point against her. But how she acted as Prosecutor could be critiqued. 

True. 

I mean that's a big number (10 percent of voters defecting), but in 2008, around 24 percent of Clinton supporters voted for McCain. I believe Sanders' defectors is fairly normal in primary to presidential elections (around 10 percent of voters). My question is where this 10 percent stands now. Do they realize they fucked up? 

 

As for prosecution, I will double down: prosecutors and cops (in general) are a real problem in this country. I do hold it against her that she was a prosecutor. Now if she (or any prosecutor or cop) demonstrated they pushed back against the issues of abuse, I am open minded. But Harris' record is directly in line with the problem associated with prosecutors: they prosecute the poor, people of color, and they seem not too motivated by justice.

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13 minutes ago, Simon Steele said:

I mean that's a big number (10 percent of voters defecting), but in 2008, around 24 percent of Clinton supporters voted for McCain. I believe Sanders' defectors is fairly normal in primary to presidential elections (around 10 percent of voters). My question is where this 10 percent stands now. Do they realize they fucked up? 

 

As for prosecution, I will double down: prosecutors and cops (in general) are a real problem in this country. I do hold it against her that she was a prosecutor. Now if she (or any prosecutor or cop) demonstrated they pushed back against the issues of abuse, I am open minded. But Harris' record is directly in line with the problem associated with prosecutors: they prosecute the poor, people of color, and they seem not too motivated by justice.

Yeah, some poor people and non-whites do commit crime. Look, I could understand critiquing how Harris did her job in LE, but please, it sounds as if you’re ready to condemn based off of her having had the job in the first place(which is unfair we do need prosecutors) and prosecuted individuals from certain demographics.

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Yawn. Sanders declares he's running for President. Expected but annoying none the less.

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14 minutes ago, Mexal said:

Yawn. Sanders declares he's running for President. Expected but annoying none the less.

I suspect that he (and his Russian-backed bots) wants to take advantage of an overly-crowded field of Democratic candidates.

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