Raja Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) On 1/22/2023 at 10:28 PM, polishgenius said: but this idea that there's been a co-ordinated, or even un-co-ordinated, media reaction against it from critics who otherwise love big franchise movies without exception is as much of an invention as anything Avatar's critics might say. Agreed. There's this notion in a lot of these movie threads that critics aren't fans and are bought and paid for, shock horror critics are people that have varied opinions just like people on this board. There isn't some grand conspiracy and fans need to get rid of this weird chip on their shoulder, it's just very very odd As for Deadlines' comment that 'unalloyed praise at SW etc films' - they just haven't been paying attention to so many of those movies that have been panned by *lots* of critics, if you've missed that they you just haven't been paying attention ( and rightly so because a lot of the MCU/ Star Wars movies have been bad) Criticisms aren't made to be 'trendy' or 'edgy', surely people are secure enough in their fandom to accept that there are some people that have issues that you may not have I watched it a few days after it was out but I think I forgot to post The Good - Some of the visuals are great and whilst the last action set piece is quite long, it's mostly good. - I think Sully's family dynamics and those characters within the family are strong points and really help the film. It helps the film have stakes and you actually give a damn about these people. The sense of discovery means the film isn't boring in most places whilst we're being introduced to the way of water - I quite liked the score The bad - It's a shame that the villain is just a retread of the dude in the first one, and I get it's not the same person, but it's just a bit rote and not creative at all, imo. - The kids being such a focus means I think Neytiri is sidelined quite a bit, which is a pity. - I don't really think the film takes any chances with the story, it's not creative. It's not anything new and it's such a retread of the first avatar that I was a bit disappointed that after all thee years, we've been served up a plot that is just..meh. I feel like all that discovery of the way of water was just me doing exactly what we did in avatar 1. A lot of this comes down to Cameron just not being a good writer, he can undoubtedly direct an action movie, but a poor script hurts this movie just as it did avatar 1. - I'm not even going to get into criticism involved with the only subtext in this film which is the colonialism/ white saviour stuff inherent to the movie Overall - I think weirdly, what will stick out to me for the movie isn't the visuals but it's the speech between Sully and his son when they're in the water - I thought that moment was quite affecting even though on the whole I thought it was mostly an okay film. Edited January 29 by Raja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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