Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 hours ago, mormont said: Rumour has it he intends to insist that it is. That even if the 1922 Committee change the rules, even if he loses a vote of his MPs, he'll insist that he has a mandate from the voters that allows him to continue. That to the end, he will refuse to ever resign. I just heard Johnson plans to disolve Parliament. Doesn’t the PM’s power come from the existence of the Parliament? Will the Queen actually have to step in here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: I just heard Johnson plans to disolve Parliament. Doesn’t the PM’s power come from the existence of the Parliament? Will the Queen actually have to step in here? "Dissolving Parliament" is the only power the Queen has and she can only execute it at the request of the Prime Minister to call a general election. Boris isn't about to conduct a coup, no. Her constitutional advisors will already be over the legality of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A wilding Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: I just heard Johnson plans to disolve Parliament. Doesn’t the PM’s power come from the existence of the Parliament? Will the Queen actually have to step in here? Johnson's government has had a consistent pattern of making laws that give him and his minister carte blanche to act unilaterally as they please. But no, Johnson can't dissolve parliament unilaterally. The UK supreme court settled that the last time he tried to. Unilaterally calling a general election is another matter though. As I understand it it is not entirely clear whether he has the power to do that. It would be foolish and monumentally self centred of him to try, but he has made a career of breaking norms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascelles_Principles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Werthead Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 The PM has now had more resignations than any since 1932. Welsh Secretary Simon Hart, Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps, Secretary of State for International Trade Anne-Marie Trevelyan and (new) Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi and Chief Whip Chris Heaton-Harris are either at No. 10 or about to arrive. Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng has publicly called for Johnson to resign. These are pretty big hitters. The 1922 Committee has just said it will change the rules on Monday to allow a fresh vote of no confidence, and they seem pretty certain that will go through instantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Clownfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1922 Committee decided not to change the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A wilding Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 I reckon Johnson is about to leave on another urgent visit to Ukraine, unfortunately not having time to drop in on No 10 first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Just now, Spockydog said: 1922 Committee decided not to change the rules. Apparently that was a mistake. They will change the rules on Monday and have full confidence that will go through without a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 @Werthead@A wilding Thank you. That a PM would have the power to disolve Parliament really didn’t make sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: @Werthead@A wilding Thank you. That a PM would have the power to disolve Parliament really didn’t make sense to me. There is no chance the Queen would dissolve Parliament, if the government has a working majority, and the Cabinet is opposed. More likely, she’d dismiss the PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Apparently Priti Patel has joined the rebels. Nadine Dorries has also arrived at No. 10, which is interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 19 minutes ago, Spockydog said: 1922 Committee decided not to change the rules. But they are having an election on Monday and the new executive might change them after 17 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: @Werthead@A wilding Thank you. That a PM would have the power to disolve Parliament really didn’t make sense to me. I posted a wiki link above to the Lascelles Principles but missed to actually say anything. Basically, if he tries to call an election but the Queen considers that there is someone else she could appoint as PM who can command a majority then she can refuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 I reckon the idiot calls an election. It is the only possible route to remaining in power. Has a sitting PM ever been unseated at a general election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Fox Cauthon Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Maltaran said: What is it, three more days he needs to overtake her? Theresa Mays as PM: 3 years, 11 days Boris Johnson as PM: 2 years, 347 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Werthead said: Apparently Priti Patel has joined the rebels. Nadine Dorries has also arrived at No. 10, which is interesting. Single combat, Priti v Nads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Spockydog said: I reckon the idiot calls an election. It is the only possible route to remaining in power. Has a sitting PM ever been unseated at a general election? Almost. Arthur Balfour lost his seat in 1906, having served as Prime Minister until 1905. He is the only Leader of the Opposition to lose their seat in a general election, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Johnson is back in No. 10 and apparently meeting the crew right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Kit Malthouse has joined the delegation. Apparently he is very highly rated by Johnson and one of his more trusted inner circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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