Daenerys’ possible attack on Volantis

[Foreknown]

As we all know volantis is the center of the slave trade in the free cities and essos as well. If Daenerys were to win the battle of fire and attack the city of volantis and free all of the slaves there she will do great damage to the slave trade all across the continent. It’s possible it could be a blow that the slave trade could never recover from. This battle will mostly likely be with the assistance of the Dothraki as well as the unsullied. Also volantis has a powerful navy and ships that are sufficient to carry her to westeros. Is this scenario likely or at least possible? 

Edited May 10, 2023 by Foreknown

[astarkchoice]

Probably not necessary itl be taken from within

Volantis.has unleashed its massive navy who are.about to be ambushed by the iromborn..many of the slave.forces there were probably some of the most.trustworthy

The triarchs already reached out to the golden company as they fear half the tiger gaurd  are fire worshippers (as are most of the ordinary slaves)  and they wanted the fire temple.stormed and the cult massacred....only for the GC to rebuff them.

If dany wins ans shes been declared the abti slave messiah by the fire priests for months itl ignite anti slavery wars

So should it all kick off we know the slaves vastly.outnumber their masters , half the.tiger guard are fire worshippers and to back them the temple has the elite 1000 firey-hand guards  and the widow of the waterfront has her own small army of bodyguards and enforcers  !!!  The masters may retreat inside volantis thick  innter blackstone walls but the widow of the wanterfront points out the slaves are sharpening their knives in there too.

 

As for the rest of the free cities we know they have daft slave to freemen ratios  so will probably also ignite on danys victory! The 3 sisters have been fighting over the disputed lands so many sellswords are probably either on their way (too slow) to slavers bay or are out in the vast disputed lands far from the cities when it kicks off.  We know in qohor they already tried to burn the cities black goat idol 

Bravos and loresh are anti slavery so will be fine (bravos may even intervene to.assist the slaves)

Quarth we know has sent some of its navy and camel.corps to mereen leaving less to quell slave riots! Id suspect the warlocks formely had a strong terror (and foresight) role  in keeping slaves under control and dany pretty much ended their faction. To make matters worse they publicly.displayed the dragons so the slaves dont need to rely on faith alone in the big 3 wslled ci

Edited May 10, 2023 by astarkchoice

[Nevets]

I dread to give an opinion on Volantis as I haven't followed it that closely.  If it's outside Westeros, my interest is limited.

My guess is that whatever happens will be what best suits the story.  If he wants to send his characters on their way, it will be a fait accompli and a win for the slaves.  Most likely, he will want to distract or delay whoever is passing by, so I'm guessing there will be open fighting in the streets and the like.  Who wins I don't know.  If the slavers win, Dany's side might have trouble, especially if they're low on supplies.

[SeanF]

Volantis is the regional superpower that the slavers can call upon, in times of danger.  If Volantis goes, and the slaver coalition is beaten outside of Meereen, then the game is up for slavery in much of Essos.  The slavers are heavily outnumbered, and once they lose their monopoly of violence, it's very hard to see how they would get it back.  If Dany is able to get the Dothraki (or at any rate, a large proportion) to stop taking slaves, then the trade will shrink hugely.

That does not mean that slavery will vanish from the East (Qarth, Lys, Myr, Tyrosh, Qohor, remain slave powers).  No doubt there will be Dothraki who are committed to the old ways, and probably the Jhogos Nhai would take up slave raiding, but it will be a major blow to the practice.

[astarkchoice]

7 hours ago, SeanF said:

Volantis is the regional superpower that the slavers can call upon, in times of danger.  If Volantis goes, and the slaver coalition is beaten outside of Meereen, then the game is up for slavery in much of Essos.  The slavers are heavily outnumbered, and once they lose their monopoly of violence, it's very hard to see how they would get it back.  If Dany is able to get the Dothraki (or at any rate, a large proportion) to stop taking slaves, then the trade will shrink hugely.

That does not mean that slavery will vanish from the East (Qarth, Lys, Myr, Tyrosh, Qohor, remain slave powers).  No doubt there will be Dothraki who are committed to the old ways, and probably the Jhogos Nhai would take up slave raiding, but it will be a major blow to the practice.

Naah id say slavery is over in the east  once the 2nd siege of mereen is a dany vixtory.

Shes already seen as a messiah among the fire worshipper religion who a large % of the slaves are part of. This will ignite a holy war vs slavery ! The 3 main slave 'processing centres' in slavers bay will be gone for sure 

[John Suburbs]

I have a feeling that Volantis has already fallen to its slaves. The celebration that Victarion saw probably meant that the tigers had regained power, which is likely to be a messy transition. All the while, Benerro is preaching revolution to the enslaved. So my guess is that this is going to spark the revolt and Volantis will be a smoldering mess if/when Dany ever gets there.

And it also means that the Volantene fleet that is heading toward Slaver's Bay to defeat Dany will probably be her ally instead.

[Moiraine Sedai]

14 hours ago, Foreknown said:

As we all know volantis is the center of the slave trade in the free cities and essos as well. If Daenerys were to win the battle of fire and attack the city of volantis and free all of the slaves there she will do great damage to the slave trade all across the continent. It’s possible it could be a blow that the slave trade could never recover from. This battle will mostly likely be with the assistance of the Dothraki as well as the unsullied. Also volantis has a powerful navy and ships that are sufficient to carry her to westeros. Is this scenario likely or at least possible? 

Two books are not enough to allow for a battle that large. Volantis will make Stannis’ attack on KL seem like a minor squabble. The slaves will revolt and win. We will hear second-hand accounts. Many of the slaves turned warriors will seek out Daenerys-Azor-Ahai and pledge themselves to support her.  

[BlackLightning]

56 minutes ago, Moiraine Sedai said:

Two books are not enough to allow for a battle that large.

Maybe not the battle you envision

But one book is enough for a battle for Volantis. In any case, I agree with you; the slaves will revolt and win and we will learn about all that what happened by way of POV characters (most likely Daenerys, Victarion and Tyrion)

9 hours ago, SeanF said:

Volantis is the regional superpower that the slavers can call upon, in times of danger.  If Volantis goes, and the slaver coalition is beaten outside of Meereen, then the game is up for slavery in much of Essos.  The slavers are heavily outnumbered, and once they lose their monopoly of violence, it's very hard to see how they would get it back.  If Dany is able to get the Dothraki (or at any rate, a large proportion) to stop taking slaves, then the trade will shrink hugely.

That does not mean that slavery will vanish from the East (Qarth, Lys, Myr, Tyrosh, Qohor, remain slave powers).  No doubt there will be Dothraki who are committed to the old ways, and probably the Jhogos Nhai would take up slave raiding, but it will be a major blow to the practice.

I mostly agree. Except if the superpower that is Volantis goes down and if a free Meereen emerges triumphant from its battles against the Yunkish slaver coalition, slavery will have been effectively abolished...especially if the religion of R'hllor (which is decidedly anti-slavery) continues to spread like wildfire. Slaves all across Essos will start demanding redress or make plans for bloody rebellion. The Dothraki leftovers and the Jhogos Nhai will eventually give up because slavery will no longer be profitable beyond chump change trading.

There's no way that Dany and friends are leaving Qarth undisturbed. Everyone on Team Dany knows what happened to Astapor and Yunkai and will have learned from that. And she cannot cross the Narrow Sea to Westeros without first dealing with the cities of Lys, Myr and Tyrosh. So before she fully commits to anything in Westeros, the situations with Qarth, Lys, Myr and Tyrosh have got to be resolved.

[Sandy Clegg]

There's a fair bit of symbolic foreshadowing that at least Rhaegal will be captured somehow  then delivered to Aegon, with the Volantene fleet best poised to accomplish this -  aided with funds and perhaps know-how from Illyrio.

I need to do a proper write up of this theory, but ... Basically, it's win-win for Illyrio and Volantis. Slaver's Bay will be free of Dany all the quicker if she is forced to leave in order to rescue her dragon(s) in Westeros. And Illyrio gets to legitimise Aegon with the gift of an actual dragon. Also speeds up the plot and gives Dany's story more impetus to leave Meereen.

Of course, if Dany chooses to burn Volantis in revenge en route - well, we'll see I guess.

Edited May 10, 2023 by Sandy Clegg

[Foreknown]

5 hours ago, BlackLightning said:

Maybe not the battle you envision

But one book is enough for a battle for Volantis. In any case, I agree with you; the slaves will revolt and win and we will learn about all that what happened by way of POV characters (most likely Daenerys, Victarion and Tyrion)

I mostly agree. Except if the superpower that is Volantis goes down and if a free Meereen emerges triumphant from its battles against the Yunkish slaver coalition, slavery will have been effectively abolished...especially if the religion of R'hllor (which is decidedly anti-slavery) continues to spread like wildfire. Slaves all across Essos will start demanding redress or make plans for bloody rebellion. The Dothraki leftovers and the Jhogos Nhai will eventually give up because slavery will no longer be profitable beyond chump change trading.

There's no way that Dany and friends are leaving Qarth undisturbed. Everyone on Team Dany knows what happened to Astapor and Yunkai and will have learned from that. And she cannot cross the Narrow Sea to Westeros without first dealing with the cities of Lys, Myr and Tyrosh. So before she fully commits to anything in Westeros, the situations with Qarth, Lys, Myr and Tyrosh have got to be resolved.

I think Daenerys has started a fire that’s going to burn and cause more destruction than she ever thought. 

[astarkchoice]

15 hours ago, Moiraine Sedai said:

Two books are not enough to allow for a battle that large. Volantis will make Stannis’ attack on KL seem like a minor squabble. The slaves will revolt and win. We will hear second-hand accounts. Many of the slaves turned warriors will seek out Daenerys-Azor-Ahai and pledge themselves to support her.  

This 

The slaver cities are doomed  esp volantis! half of volantis tiger guard are suporters , we know the slaves within the black walls are sharpening their knives and waiting , the widow has a well orgainsed mini army of bodyguards and enforcers and of course the biggest fire temple in planetos with its own 1000 strong fanantic professional fighting forcre!!! 

The rest of the free  cities would probably fall like dominoes given the huge slave to freeman imbalance , quarth will lick its wounds and focus on trade of all other kinds and the dothraki will simply have to either settle for offerings .....or finaly be dealt with!! 

[Aldarion]

As others have said - Volantis will fall from within. There certainly is enough foreshadowing of that.

[chrisdaw]

Volantis will fall by Tyrion. He literally thinks about how to take the city in ADWD.

Tyrion will no doubt fall under Dany's command, though he will be just playing the happy helper for a time waiting for an opportunity to strike out for himself, but that won't be happening before Westeros.

The questions are will Dany even be there. The scenario might be that Tyrion takes Volantis in Dany's name with or without her direction/blessing. If he is there, he'll simply advise her and prove his use to her and gain her favour when his plan is completely successful.

Volantis will rally to her cause from the inside, and Dany's forces will dominate outside or at the walls, Tyrion will advise Dany or himself do what must be done to bring the taking of the city to fruition. He will light the fuse.

Key to it will be Benerro, likely Tyrion either gets a secret message to Benerro via an agent or himself infiltrates the city in order to co-ordinate the attack with Benerro.

[The Lord of the Crossing]

On 5/9/2023 at 9:47 PM, Foreknown said:

As we all know volantis is the center of the slave trade in the free cities and essos as well. If Daenerys were to win the battle of fire and attack the city of volantis and free all of the slaves there she will do great damage to the slave trade all across the continent. It’s possible it could be a blow that the slave trade could never recover from. This battle will mostly likely be with the assistance of the Dothraki as well as the unsullied. Also volantis has a powerful navy and ships that are sufficient to carry her to westeros. Is this scenario likely or at least possible? 

Vic has ships and he's already in the area of Meereen.  His ships are closer and it looks like he is not going to live much longer.  Volantis will collapse from within. 

[H Wadsworth Longfellow]

I don't recall Daenerys ever threatening Volantis.  I agree that evil city will fall but it will be the work of the slaves.  The numerical advantage in manpower is on their side.  They don't need help.  What they need is legitimacy to make their rebellion more socially or politically acceptable.  The church will need political cover before they can start a war for emancipation and one word from Daenerys can provide that.

[KingoftheRiversandtheHills]

Martin is at a crossroads of sort on where to send Dany. I think the most probable events is him going with the show version of her getting the ships, or her going to another free city, maybe volantis as you have said. If he does go the volantis route then its hard to see where he would go from there as the Volantis fleet is about to get ambushed by the iron born so either Dany saves them and uses the fleet to go to Dragonstone or stays to conquer some other city state. 

Edited April 15 by KingoftheRiversandtheHills