Ser Scot A Ellison Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 @Ormond Have you heard about this? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/nebraska-trans-abortion-bill-christy-armendariz-b2343548.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 5 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: If you’re going to drink whiskey… drink it straight up… At the rate I drink I would've been dead about 20 years ago if I followed this. 39 minutes ago, maarsen said: Doesn't he then have to resign as the governor of Florida? Doesn't every cloud have a silver lining? No. And frankly he shouldn't have to. It was a dumb law to begin with that would have prevented him from doing so. Jace, Extat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 minute ago, DMC said: At the rate I drink I would've been dead about 20 years ago if I followed this. I admit I don’t drink whiskey all that often. But when I do I take it straight (neat if it’s scotch). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) Well, yes of course I know about that 8 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: @Ormond Have you heard about this? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/nebraska-trans-abortion-bill-christy-armendariz-b2343548.html Well of course I know about that. I would think that the commentd that legislators "seem not to know or care what they're doing as long as it feels right to them and they have the votes to do it" is actually even more true for many states other than Nebraska. Remember that just a couple of weeks ago we did defeat a six-week abortion ban by convincing an 80 year old Republican male state senator that since most women don't yet know they are pregnant at six weeks this was unreasonable. The anti-abortion faction in the legislature had to change that to 10 weeks to get his vote. Edited May 23 by Ormond Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 1 minute ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: I admit I don’t drink whiskey all that often. But when I do I take it straight (neat if it’s scotch). Right. Like I said, on special occasions I do so too. Usually scotch, but also top-shelf American or Irish whisky. Due to how much I consume on the regular, though, it's much more responsible to include chaser. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 5 minutes ago, Ormond said: Well, yes of course I know about that Well of course I know about that. I would think that the commentd that legislators "seem not to know or care what they're doing as long as it feels right to them and they have the votes to do it" is actually even more true for many states other than Nebraska. Remember that just a couple of weeks ago we did defeat a six-week abortion ban by convincing an 80 year old Republican male state senator that since most women don't yet know they are pregnant at six weeks this was unreasonable. The anti-abortion faction in the legislature had to change that to 12 weeks to get his vote. I’m simply floored a State Senator would say they “don’t follow the news”. Jace, Extat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 5 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: I’m simply floored a State Senator would say they “don’t follow the news”. I guess I'd have to say, Scott, that you often seem tobe "floored" by elected public officials making stupid comments, which seems to be par for the course to me. Ser Scot A Ellison, Kalbear, Jaxom 1974 and 3 others 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 2 minutes ago, Ormond said: I guess I'd have to say, Scott, that you often seem tobe "floored" by elected public officials making stupid comments, which seems to be par for the course to me. Maybe I shouldn’t be. But I still believe people should care about what they do and how it impacts people. I refuse to get cynical about this. Jace, Extat and TrackerNeil 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 3 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Maybe I shouldn’t be. But I still believe people should care about what they do and how it impacts people. I refuse to get cynical about this. It's not cynicism. It's realism. I mean, feel free to continually be shocked at the depravities that they are willing to do and the naked incompetence that they have, but that is who they are. There is no level that they will not sink provided they get benefit from it. They will not stop; they will only be stopped. Prince of the North, Tywin et al., Jace, Extat and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 6 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Maybe I shouldn’t be. But I still believe people should care about what they do and how it impacts people. I refuse to get cynical about this. Hey, I'm really much less cynical than most people on this thread. I don't automatically think a politician making one stupid remark is a sign he or she is incompetent or unethical. Could just be a normal everyday brain glitch that happens to all of us every day. I don't know enough about this particular person to know what the explanation is. But I think it is unrealistic not to realize that all humans often make stupid remarks and aren't always thinking clearly, whether or not we "care about what we do." Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 And Montana just passed a law defining sex as male or female with rather clunky definitions that manages to define some people as both and some as none despite claiming an iron clad binary https://apnews.com/article/transgender-birth-certificate-define-sex-male-female-e17e5eae36991f8ca1d197ddebad0b72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 6 minutes ago, Ormond said: Hey, I'm really much less cynical than most people on this thread. I don't automatically think a politician making one stupid remark is a sign he or she is incompetent or unethical. Could just be a normal everyday brain glitch that happens to all of us every day. I don't know enough about this particular person to know what the explanation is. But I think it is unrealistic not to realize that all humans often make stupid remarks and aren't always thinking clearly, whether or not we "care about what we do." Yeah once I had to talk (lecture) for a living I found I became much more empathetic to rhetorical gaffes. I make them all the time. I actually put in my syllabus now that it's fine if you record me, but please don't put me on youtube. It's just mean. Like that Santos clip that was posted the other day, sometimes you fuck things up. NBD. There's plenty of legit stuff to make fun of George Santos for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Ormond said: Hey, I'm really much less cynical than most people on this thread. I don't automatically think a politician making one stupid remark is a sign he or she is incompetent or unethical. Could just be a normal everyday brain glitch that happens to all of us every day. I don't know enough about this particular person to know what the explanation is. But I think it is unrealistic not to realize that all humans often make stupid remarks and aren't always thinking clearly, whether or not we "care about what we do." Palin's star was wrecked in part because she couldn't say want newspapers she read to stay informed and rightfully so. These people all need to be held to a higher standard, especially when more and more of them just seem to want to get famous more so than do the work their job entails. I get what @DMC is saying, we all make gaffes, but i think there's a different between getting the year JFK became president in wrong and saying he fought on the side of the Nazis. An elected official of any party or level saying they don't follow the news is unacceptable. Edited May 23 by Tywin et al. Zorral, Ser Scot A Ellison and Jace, Extat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 11 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: Palin's star was wrecked in part because she couldn't say want newspapers she read to stay informed and rightfully so. These people all need to be held to a higher standard, especially when more and more of them just seem to want to get famous more so than do the work their job entails. Well sure. Sarah Palin was rightfully lampooned not because of any specific gaffe (although I suppose being able to see Russia from Alaska would count), but the entirety of her public presentation demonstrating she doesn't know anything. That's different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 21 minutes ago, DMC said: Well sure. Sarah Palin was rightfully lampooned not because of any specific gaffe (although I suppose being able to see Russia from Alaska would count), but the entirety of her public presentation demonstrating she doesn't know anything. That's different. The point I was trying to make is when someone in elected office says something profoundly stupid they should be fair game to dig into what other dumb shit they've said or done, whereas making a minor error should be allowed to slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 1 minute ago, Tywin et al. said: The point I was trying to make is when someone in elected office says something profoundly stupid they should be fair game to dig into what other dumb shit they've said or done, whereas making a minor error should be allowed to slide. Yeah, of course. Just saying the internet can often get hyperbolic about the latter. I know, shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Matt Gaetz came out and just said it, re the debt ceiling: "I don't believe in negotiating with our hostage." https://newrepublic.com/post/172946/matt-gaetz-admits-republicans-holding-america-hostage-debt-ceiling Don't waste you time pearl clutching over 'lefty' extremism. There isn't any. It's all over there, and They are killing us already. So many of us. Every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 39 minutes ago, Zorral said: Matt Gaetz came out and just said it, re the debt ceiling: "I don't believe in negotiating with our hostage." https://newrepublic.com/post/172946/matt-gaetz-admits-republicans-holding-america-hostage-debt-ceiling Don't waste you time pearl clutching over 'lefty' extremism. There isn't any. It's all over there, and They are killing us already. So many of us. Every day. No, say it ain't so. Those who don't want to do anything about climate collapse or school shootings would intentionally wreck the economy for what they perceive is their own gain? Get my fainting couch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Just now, Tywin et al. said: No, say it ain't so. Those who don't want to do anything about climate collapse or school shootings would intentionally wreck the economy for what they perceive is their own gain? Get my fainting couch. and yet, yet, so many, are so concerned that 'leftys' are too extreme and we must Do Something! about that for fear of ... what? pissing off the lynchers, mass shooters, stranglers, deniers of climate change, health care, housing and food. feh. What a frackin' waste of time. Martell Spy and maarsen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 4 hours ago, Zorral said: Matt Gaetz came out and just said it, re the debt ceiling: "I don't believe in negotiating with our hostage." https://newrepublic.com/post/172946/matt-gaetz-admits-republicans-holding-america-hostage-debt-ceiling Don't waste you time pearl clutching over 'lefty' extremism. There isn't any. It's all over there, and They are killing us already. So many of us. Every day. I know the important part is that it's removing yet another mask, but I'm caught up on how fucking wrong it is. Taking a hostage is normally leverage in a negotiation, even if that negotiation is as simple as "don't come in here/get out of our way", and in this analogy America is the hostage but you'd be negotiating with the Democrats not America. Why are they so shit at everything. Larry of the Lawn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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