Larry of the Lawn Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 9 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said: Not that I'm putting this forward as an actual conspiracy, but I can imagine rationale whereby the US and some of its allies would prefer to have black market trade in chips and other high tech weapons stuff made by them because if they keep some track of that illicit trade they have quite a good idea about how many high tech weapons these rogue entities and enemies have. The US did something similar with the PROMIS software in the 1980s. kissdbyfire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 6 hours ago, Darzin said: Putin can go anywhere not in the collective West. And that weakens Putin if those are the only places he can travel. And as @Werthead pointed out your statement is not accurate. Edited May 6 by Ser Scot A Ellison Darzin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Fear of assassination is probably what limits Putin's travel lust. He could always test the waters with a cowardly bootlicker country in the West like mine otherwise. Nobody would dare to arrest him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Stink Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Hamas just shot mortars at the Kerem Shalom crossing, a central entry point for humanitarian aid into Gaza. Yes, they're bombing their own lifeline on food and aid. This is another example of Hama's perverse strategy-kill Palestinians in order to hurt Israel. Hamas cannot continue in power. This is the moral core of the Israeli war effort, and it is irrefutable as a moral cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 The inhabitants probably have run out of money to buy the aid Hamas intercepts from them. Hamas gains nothing from people not starving if they can't make a profit. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 10 minutes ago, Luzifer's right hand said: The inhabitants probably have run out of money to buy the aid Hamas intercepts from them. Hamas gains nothing from people not starving if they can't make a profit. The protesters who explicitly endorse Hamas make me so very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: The protesters who explicitly endorse Hamas make me so very sad. The people who cannot see the Palestinians and their history that Israel has made makes me so very sad. These latter far far far out number those who endorse Hamas. Which is what keeps Hamas and those ilks going. What lies beneath Gaza’s rubble and ruin The hysteria over campus protests in the United States has shifted American attention away from the depth of the ongoing calamity in Gaza. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/05/06/gaza-destruction-rubble-calamity/ Quote .... For months, Palestinian civil society activists have drawn attention to the steady eradication of Gaza’s cultural patrimony. Israel’s punishing campaign against militant group Hamas has seen much of the territory reduced to ruin. In the process, many libraries, museums and colleges have been ransacked and razed — in some instances, by deliberate Israeli demolition. Thousands of artifacts in various collections, including Roman coins and other materials from Gaza’s pre-Islamic past, have been potentially lost during the war. The hysteria over campus protests in the United States has shifted American attention away from the depth of the ongoing calamity in Gaza. U.N. officials and aid agencies are still grappling with the scale of the destruction in the territory, where dozens are still dying every day. Since Hamas launched its Oct. 7 terrorist strike on southern Israel, more than 34,500 Palestinians in the territory — many of them women and children — have been killed. Some 5 percent of Gaza’s overall population has been killed or injured, according to a U.N. report that cites local data. That figure doesn’t include the more than at least 10,000 people that the U.N. estimates are still missing beneath the rubble, citing the Palestinian Civil Defense (PCD). The challenge of finding the missing is growing more dire, given the widespread destruction of heavy machinery and equipment needed to dig through the debris. .... Edited May 6 by Zorral Crixus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudguard Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Big Stink said: Hamas just shot mortars at the Kerem Shalom crossing, a central entry point for humanitarian aid into Gaza. Yes, they're bombing their own lifeline on food and aid. This is another example of Hama's perverse strategy-kill Palestinians in order to hurt Israel. Hamas cannot continue in power. This is the moral core of the Israeli war effort, and it is irrefutable as a moral cause. Technically, at least according to the NYT's account of a briefing from an Israeli military spokesman, Hamas attacked IDF soldiers near the crossing, but not the Kerem Shalom crossing itself. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/05/world/middleeast/hamas-rocket-kerem-shalom-israel.html Quote Hamas said on Sunday that its armed wing had fired rockets at Israeli forces near the Kerem Shalom border crossing between Gaza and Israel, in an attack that the Israeli military said killed three soldiers and left three more soldiers critically wounded. About 14 rockets and mortars were fired from an area near the Rafah crossing between Gaza and Egypt toward Kerem Shalom, an Israeli military spokesman, Lt. Col. Peter Lerner, said at a news briefing on Sunday night. One home in the kibbutz was struck. There was no indication that the Kerem Shalom crossing itself, one of the few crossings through which humanitarian aid is able to enter the Gaza Strip, was the target of the attack, and there was no indication that other crossings were under immediate threat, Colonel Lerner said. Still, after the attack on Sunday, the army said the Kerem Shalom crossing was closed to the passage of aid trucks. Whether that's a good idea when it's predictable that Israel would close the crossing in response, probably not. On the other hand, since Hamas and Israel are at war, all Hamas fighters/terrorists and all IDF soldiers are legitimate targets. I don't think any civilians were injured in the attack. Edited May 6 by Mudguard ETA: added a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Today the Washington Post embarks on a series," Russia Remastered", examing Putin's new Russia, its objectives, goals, procedures, culture and designs, including the Orthodox Church, which are all geared to take out the 'West' and particulalry the USA. It's damned brutal. Yes, we have always employed that word with Russia since at least the 18th century, but this round it has All the Technology to fulfill its aims more effectively and rapidly. This part identifies the writers, describes what the WaPo did and summarizes what learned in 6 months of work:We reported for months on changes sweeping Russia. Here’s what we found. Over six months, The Post examined the changes sweeping Russia as Putin has used his war in Ukraine to cement his grip on power. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/05/06/we-reported-months-changes-sweeping-russia-heres-what-we-found/ This is the first installment: Under Putin, a militarized new Russia rises to challenge U.S. and the West For women particularly this is brutality in the extreme. "Long obsessed with Russia’s population decline, Putin is urging Russian women to have eight or more babies, while also seizing chunks of Ukraine’s population by force. ... " https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/putin-values-russian-society-conservatism/? It also identifies Putin's alliances, which include USians inside the USA, who aren't even Russian immigrants. What we are too look forward to if they get their dreams fulfilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 52 minutes ago, Zorral said: The people who cannot see the Palestinians and their history that Israel has made makes me so very sad. These latter far far far out number those who endorse Hamas. Which is what keeps Hamas and those ilks going. What lies beneath Gaza’s rubble and ruin The hysteria over campus protests in the United States has shifted American attention away from the depth of the ongoing calamity in Gaza. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/05/06/gaza-destruction-rubble-calamity/ What Israel is doing to the Palestinians generally is wrong. What Hamas did to Israel civilians was just as wrong. I wish we could lock the Likud Leadership and the Hamas leadership in a Thunderdome until there was no one to release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudguard Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Hamas has apparently accepted a ceasefire proposal from Egypt and Qatar. No details yet on the ceasefire proposal. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-it-accepts-ceasefire-proposal-egypt-qatar-2024-05-06/#:~:text=CAIRO%2C May 6 (Reuters),Sign up here. Quote Hamas said on Monday that it had accepted a Gaza ceasefire proposal from Egypt and Qatar. The Islamist faction said in a statement that its chief, Ismail Haniyeh, had informed Qatar's prime minister and Egypt's intelligence chief of its acceptance of their proposal. There were no immediate details over what the agreement entailed. If it's a temporary ceasefire for some of the hostages, say the 33 or so that were for the first phase, that wouldn't be surprising. I think a deal like this has potentially been on the table for a while. But if it's a temporary ceasefire for all the hostages, that would be really interesting to me. Would say a lot about the current state of Hamas if that's the deal. We'll have to see though what was actually accepted. JGP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 I am fervently praying this ceasefire goes into effect swiftly and immediately may food and other aid get to the starving pregnant women and mothers and their children. Please may the bombs stop falling. Please stop the Israeli soldiers shooting randomly and w/o care for civilians. And, also, please halt the destruction of irreplaceable survivors of past history, may they survive into the future. Sophelia, Crixus, Ser Scot A Ellison and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 6 minutes ago, Zorral said: I am fervently praying this ceasefire goes into effect swiftly and immediately may food and other aid get to the starving pregnant women and mothers and their children. Please may the bombs stop falling. Please stop the Israeli soldiers shooting randomly and w/o care for civilians. And, also, please halt the destruction of irreplaceable survivors of past history, may they survive into the future. Israel has apparently rejected it... Ser Scot A Ellison and JGP 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 6 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: Israel has apparently rejected it... To everyone’s despair but surprising… very few, I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 11 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: Israel has apparently rejected it... Haven’t seen that. They just haven’t accepted it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, DMC said: Haven’t seen that. They just haven’t accepted it yet. Now the feed is saying that they are studying the proposal. Fingers crossed... Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudguard Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 We need to see the terms of the deal that Hamas accepted. If's it's different than the proposal approved by Israel that they were considering last week, then it's really just a counterproposal, and Israel would be fully within their rights to reject the counterproposal. If it's the same as the one approved by Israel, well, that would look bad for Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 minutes ago, Mudguard said: We need to see the terms of the deal that Hamas accepted. If's it's different than the proposal approved by Israel that they were considering last week, then it's really just a counterproposal, and Israel would be fully within their rights to reject the counterproposal. If it's the same as the one approved by Israel, well, that would look bad for Israel. Per reports, it’s the 22 to 33 hostages proposal you referred to and they’ve been working on for awhile now: Quote The most recent framework, which Israel helped craft but has not fully agreed to, calls for the release of between 20 and 33 hostages over several weeks in exchange for a temporary ceasefire and the release of Palestinian prisoners. After the initial exchange, according to that framework, there would follow what sources describe as the “restoration of sustainable calm” during which the remaining hostages, captive Israeli soldiers and the bodies of hostages would be exchanged for more Palestinian prisoners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 BBC says: Quote We've just been hearing a bit more on the ceasefire proposal Hamas has agreed to, via the Reuters news agency. It includes a ceasefire, reconstruction of Gaza, return of the displaced and a prisoner swap, Hamas official Taher al-Nono has told the agency. There's no mention of the release of the hostages that are being held in Gaza and are understood to be part of the ceasefire proposal, but we'll bring you more as we have it. This does not sound to me as something Israel would agree to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudguard Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Aljazeera is claiming that the new proposal that was accepted by Hamas includes a permanent ceasefire and the complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza. If this is accurate, then the deal is DOA, and all this was a waste of time, and worse, was misleading and brought false hope to Palestinians in Gaza. There's zero chance that Israel would accept such terms and Hamas is well aware of it. But if this is the case, why haven't the other parties mentioned this yet? Not sure what to believe at the moment. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/5/6/israels-war-on-gaza-live-israel-pounds-rafah-as-truce-talks-stall Quote Sources have told Al Jazeera that the Egyptian-Qatari proposal Hamas has agreed to would include three phases, with each lasting 42 days. A truce would begin in the first phase, along with an Israeli withdrawal from the Netzarim corridor that Israel uses to divide northern and southern Gaza. A second phase would include the approval of a permanent cessation of military and hostile operations, and the complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza. The proposal also includes a provision approving an end to the blockade of Gaza in the third phase. Crixus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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