GRRM on Season 3

[boojam]

Saw an item today that said in GB there had been a drop in UK something like from 500,000 E1 to 400,000 for E3.

Just wondering if E1 and E2 caused the drop?

Wonder what the buzz about E3 will do next week?

I have never figured out Sky Atlantic's accessibility. Had the impression the books and series was popular in the UK.

As for the rest of the world ... still a mystery to me... we got that report of big interest in Germany even with the very late release.

World wide sales of S1 on DVD remain unknown.

I speculate on this because it is a costly show, but HBO seems to in the black on it, but will greenlight only one season at a time.

I don't know what it would take to make them open up to a S4 & S5 deal?

We book readers are already being tortured by what seems a dozen narrative arcs that seem to be going towards a big Götterdämmerung, unlike ROME , which could have gone on , tho the best part of that story picks up nearly 30 years after the shows' end. DEADWOOD could have gone forward but seemed the story was really over by the end of season 2.

GOT would leave so many loose ends some people may go mad!

It sure would be a record for such an elaborate and expensive TV offering to make it to the end....

which I can only speculate would be about five more seasons at the minimum.

It all really depends on what kind of revenues HBO can make.

[J_Crews]

Can't speak to UK ratings, but it is killing it here in the U.S. week-in-and-week-out. Episode 3 even added nearly 1 million viewers for the replay.

[boojam]

Can't speak to UK ratings, but it is killing it here in the U.S. week-in-and-week-out. Episode 3 even added nearly 1 million viewers for the replay.

That's good to know ... I never can seem find that kind of info out.

Hmm... well... does Sky Atlantic do replays of the episodes?

(I should qualify the Sky Atlantic remark, apparently even with a drop, their share is apparently very good.)

[J_Crews]

Exact #'s can take days to pull-in. The premiere hit 3.9 million viewers; week 2 (a holiday) drew 3.8 million (a 97% retention week-to-week). Week 3 held steady, give or take, with 3.766 million, which seems -- at first glance -- to be slight loss, but week 2 actually only got 3.759 million for the first showing. The rest came later. Just off the 11pm encore showing alone for week 3, they pulled-in another 776,000 viewers. It's soundly trouncing Mad Men and everything else thus far.

[boojam]

Exact #'s can take days to pull-in. The premiere hit 3.9 million viewers; week 2 (a holiday) drew 3.8 million (a 97% retention week-to-week). Week 3 held steady, give or take, with 3.766 million, which seems -- at first glance -- to be slight loss, but week 2 actually only got 3.759 million for the first showing. The rest came later. Just off the 11pm encore showing alone for week 3, they pulled-in another 776,000 viewers. It's soundly trouncing Mad Men and everything else thus far.

Do you know if that is just USA numbers or is Canada included too?

It seems impossible to find out what , say, the European viewership is, IMDB has a release date page, it list a lot of countries but zero info about when or what is going on. Had heard that there was general release in Eastern Europe not long after USA release, but that's about it. Western Europe seems even more mysterious. As I have noted HBO has a better biz model for non US release, but there is no Box Office Mojo for TV , that I know of.

It's been since March for the release of S1 on DVD , only figures I have ever seen is that , I think, first day 350,000 figure (for the US) in the more than month since must be a better cumulative number, again world wide.

[Ran]

General European figures are indeed hard to get. UK figures, not so much. While the UK same-day viewership is down from last season's finale, the live+7 viewership is pretty steady at 1.4-1.5 million viewers.

WyvernWood on Twitter has been spitting out tables for UK results. Compare to his table for True Blood and Boardwalk Empire, and we see that Game of Thrones is actually a smashing success compared to those shows.

What we're seeing is that while the same-night numbers may have declined, it just means more people are time-shifting or streaming. In fact, in the run-up to the premiere, Sky Atlantic was heavily promoting their Sky Anywhere streaming service.

[boojam]

General European figures are indeed hard to get. UK figures, not so much. While the UK same-day viewership is down from last season's finale, the live+7 viewership is pretty steady at 1.4-1.5 million viewers.

WyvernWood on Twitter has been spitting out tables for UK results. Compare to his table for True Blood and Boardwalk Empire, and we see that Game of Thrones is actually a smashing success compared to those shows.

What we're seeing is that while the same-night numbers may have declined, it just means more people are time-shifting or streaming. In fact, in the run-up to the premiere, Sky Atlantic was heavily promoting their Sky Anywhere streaming service.

I see.

There is a typo in column 2 for Season 2, either that or a time traveler in the haystack.

[Werthead]

I have never figured out Sky Atlantic's accessibility. Had the impression the books and series was popular in the UK.

They were popular in the UK, but before the TV series no moreso than a lot of other fantasy series (and not as popular as say Pratchett or Jordan). They've only become massive sellers since the TV series started. Most of the books can now be found in supermarkets, which is the clearest sign of being a major cross-over success.

As for Sky, there are roughly 10 million households in the UK with access to it (out of approximately 25 million households in total and a population of between 61 and 62 million). Which sounds encouraging, but Sky Atlantic is not available on the base Sky package (there have been times when it has been as part of a free offer, including for all of Season 1), so only a proportion of Sky customers have access to it. In addition, the overwhelming majority of the 10 million subscribers to Sky seem to have it for sports or movies. Only a small number watch the general entertainment channels.

Lost, for example, used to get viewing figures on Sky One (the main, free-to-all-subscribers entertainment channel) of around 300,000-400,000, rising to 600,000 for the much-trailed finale. BSG was kept on a primetime slot on Sky One for the duration of its run despite only getting average figures of around 150,000 (300,000 at best). Considering that Game of Thrones is on a channel that not all Sky customers have access to, figures of 500,000-700,000 for the first showing andw well over 1 million in total are spectacularly good. I know that Sky are very happy about how well it's doing.

I've been watching the series after the fact, so I don't know for sure, but I'm told that Sky have also dropped their 'just one advert break' rule for Season 2 (which they had for S1) in favour of 3 or 4 breaks per hour. That will piss a lot of people off, and lead to a substantial increase in timeshifting.

[boojam]

I've been watching the series after the fact, so I don't know for sure, but I'm told that Sky have also dropped their 'just one advert break' rule for Season 2 (which they had for S1) in favour of 3 or 4 breaks per hour. That will piss a lot of people off, and lead to a substantial increase in timeshifting.

Yeah if they did that here in the US I would be pissed off!

(Lord I hope HBO never starts with commercials,I would pay even more for premium service not to have it!)

(Gezz, the general cable biz here is one I wish I had a piece of, just think we smucks pay some provider for the service, then the advertisers pay the provider to show commercials, then we Yahoos pay to watch commercials, a sweet con!)

Anyway what about DVD sales in the UK? Never hear about how S1 sales did there?

[Werthead]

GoT was the #2-selling Blu-Ray and DVD in the week of release. The culture of DVD-buying in the UK is that people buy a lot of cheap deals from the supermarkets or HMV, particularly as major new DVD releases are initially discounted to £10 and then rise later on. So GoT, which is very expensive compared to most DVD releases (not too bad on Blu-Ray, though, which has a lot more static pricing in the UK), doing so well is impressive. Checking in Tescos (our biggest retailer) yesterday, it still seems to be around number 10 in the DVD chart six weeks after release, which is again impressive for a TV boxed set, and around #5 in the Blu-Ray chart (the UK is still somewhat Blu-Ray-sceptical; it's taking off, but way, way more slowly than DVD ever did). GoT actually appears to be being used by some sellers and magazines as a way of getting people to upgrade to Blu-Ray (the same way the LotR DVD Extended Cuts were used by some to convince the last VHS hold-outs to switch to DVD) given the numerous extra features and of course the superior image quality.

[theMountainGoat]

I've been watching the series after the fact, so I don't know for sure, but I'm told that Sky have also dropped their 'just one advert break' rule for Season 2 (which they had for S1) in favour of 3 or 4 breaks per hour. That will piss a lot of people off, and lead to a substantial increase in timeshifting.

The increase in breaks is annoying but it is in direct response to the shorter episodes this season so I don't think we can really blame Sky for this change of policy.

Sorry this is off topic but the lengths of each episode are quite telling I think and its really surprising how variable they are.

Episode 1 = 63 mins

Episode 2 = 56 mins

Episode 3 = 57 mins

Episode 4 = 56 mins

Episode 5 = 55 mins

Episode 6 = 53 mins

Episode 7 = 56 mins

Episode 8 = 59 mins

Episode 9 = 57 mins

Episode 10 = 53 mins

Season one total length = 565 minutes

If we look at season two so far:

Episode 1 = 53 mins

Episode 2 = 51 mins

Episode 3 = 53 mins

So the longest episodes this year are only as long as the shortest episodes from last year.

I sincerely hope we get some longer episodes at some point this season. Perhaps they are saving up those extra minutes for one extra long episode. Is it too much to hope for a 90 minute Blackwater? Yeah it probably is.

If we do get an episode closer to 60 minutes this year then it will be interesting to see if Sky schedule less advert breaks in that one or if the following programmes get moved back accordingly. The programme schedulers must really hate HBO shows that don't stick to a standard length from week to week.

[boojam]

The increase in breaks is annoying but it is in direct response to the shorter episodes this season so I don't think we can really blame Sky for this change of policy.

Sorry this is off topic but the lengths of each episode are quite telling I think and its really surprising how variable they are.

Episode 1 = 63 mins

Episode 2 = 56 mins

Episode 3 = 57 mins

Episode 4 = 56 mins

Episode 5 = 55 mins

Episode 6 = 53 mins

Episode 7 = 56 mins

Episode 8 = 59 mins

Episode 9 = 57 mins

Episode 10 = 53 mins

Season one total length = 565 minutes

If we look at season two so far:

Episode 1 = 53 mins

Episode 2 = 51 mins

Episode 3 = 53 mins

So the longest episodes this year are only as long as the shortest episodes from last year.

I sincerely hope we get some longer episodes at some point this season. Perhaps they are saving up those extra minutes for one extra long episode. Is it too much to hope for a 90 minute Blackwater? Yeah it probably is.

If we do get an episode closer to 60 minutes this year then it will be interesting to see if Sky schedule less advert breaks in that one or if the following programmes get moved back accordingly. The programme schedulers must really hate HBO shows that don't stick to a standard length from week to week.

WoW! I have never seen those numbers.

I was just going along dumb as brick thinking each episode was exactly the same length!

I guess this includes , or does it, the opening and closing credits?

Actually HBO really does not have to conform to the same time constraints as prime time TV... seems some series I have watched have spilled over the canonical hour mark.

Would not mind if they loosened up for GOT, sometimes I check , read time the episode running time (easy to do with U-verse) and think to my self, damn!, how are they going to elaborate all that's got to happen in the next 10 min. ?

Sometimes it's kind of thin.

[DirtyRobes]

I guess this includes , or does it, the opening and closing credits?

I believe that does include both opening and closing but Not the recap of the previous week.

It sure would be a record for such an elaborate and expensive TV offering to make it to the end....

which I can only speculate would be about five more seasons at the minimum.

It all really depends on what kind of revenues HBO can make.

Very true but it should be noted that D&D warned HBO that if it works that its 7-8 season show atleast, which is great news. Lets just hope that they can keep up with this type of viewership and we might very well get our complete Song of Ice and Fire.

[Drowningfish2304]

This is my prediction on events happening in Season 3, episode by episode, in predicted order of scenes.

-FULL OF SPOILERS-

Episode 1:

§ Jamie Shaves head to be less recognizable

§ Catelyn and Robb arrive at Riverrun, she somehow deduces Lysa had a child aborted - speculation about Petyr

§ Arya, Gendry and Hot Pie are looking for Riverrun using a map, exhausting themselves

§ Tyrion learns Bronn is no longer commander of the city watch, and he has lost all his knights

§ Daenerys meets Arstan Whitebeard and (maybe?) strong Belwas too at Qarth docks, they decide to take three ships away from Qarth

§ Edmure argues with Catelyn of Jaime Lannister's escape

§ Tyrion goes to speak with Tywin, mention of Duskendale, Tyrion asks for Casterly Rock which is denied. Tywin tells Tyrion he will "hang the next whore" he takes to bed

§ Bran meets Jojen and Meera at the Tumbledown Tower, they decide to make for the wall.

§ Jon meets Mance Raydar, who wishes to speak with him alone

Episode 2:

§ Davos washes up on Blackwater Bay, is rescued by one of Salladhor Saan's fleet.

§ Jaime's boat is ambushed by a river galley sent by Edmure Tully, they make a lucky getaway

§ Sansa is invited to dinner with Margary Tyrell and Lady Olenna, escorted there by Loras.

§ Mance tests Jon Snow, asking him why he deserted the Night's Watch, telling him of the two times he'd seen him before, and the story behind why he deserted. He accepts him as a member of the free folk in the end

§ Daenerys sails her ships for Pentos as her Dragons fly overhead, Arstan Whitebeard tells her about Rhaegar Targaryen

§ Lady Olenna wishes for Sansa to tell her the truth about Joffrey and she does, with reluctance. Lady Olenna then offers for her to marry Willas Tyrell

§ Salladhor Saan tells Davos of the state of Dragonstone, letting him know his son Devan is alive, Alester Florent is hand of the king, and how Stannis sees no-one but Melisandre

§ Jon observes Mance's army, and all the giants and mammoths making it up. Mance asks him how many men were at the Fist, and he replies with the truth. Ygritte stops Jon from attacking Mance by telling him they're lovers, that night they share a bed together

§ Davos speaks on the boat to Salladhor of his plan to kill Melisandre, he steps off to be greeted by Alester Florent who takes him into custody for plotting to kill Melisandre

§ Jorah tells Daenerys not to trust Arstan, later advising her to sail to Astapor to buy some Unsullied, persuading her to change course, she does. Jorah then grabs her and kisses her, dramatic scene for the programme!!

Episode 3:

§ Bran and companions are travelling north to the wall, while travelling - Meera tells a story of 'The Knight Of The Laughing Tree', a story Bran hasn't heard before.

§ Catelyn visits her father, Hoster Tully who mistakes her for Lysa

§ Arya and co. are ambushed by Tom Sevenstrings, Lem and Anguy who offer to take them to an inn, they have to agree to go with them.

§ Jaime and Brienne stop at "The Inn of the Kneeling Man", where they buy horses and leave quickly, and learn of Thoros and Beric Dondarrion raiding the Riverlands together.

§ Arya enters what we think is the same inn after, Gendry stays in the stable to watch the horses

§ Tyrion speaks to Varys, finds out that Pycelle is back in position of Grand Maester and Boros Blount is restored to the Kingsguard

§ Daenerys speaks to the master slaver in Astapor of the Unsullied, horrified by the conditions they live under and the brutality of their training.

§ Robb speaks of his plans to retake the North with Edmure, however he must first win back the Freys

§ Tyrion meets Shae, speaking to her of his means to send her away to protect her from his father.

§ Strangers appear at the inn Arya is at, who turn out to be Harwin, who proclaims Arya's true identity to everyone's surprise

§ Ends with Samwell running south with a torch in his hand from the White Walkers back to the Fist who hold them back with Fire arrows for a short time, while Mormont commands Sam to send ravens with word that their end is near, after some fight, Mormont rounds up survivors to head for the forest on the way to the wall.

Episode 4:

§ The council speak of plans in the war against the North, about Lancel being near death from the battle for Duskendale, about Balon Greyjoy offering alliance which they ignore. About Littlefinger's plans to woo Lysa Arryn. This makes Tyrion master of coins, there is also talk of 300 Dornishmen riding for King's Landing.

§ Robb sentences Rickard Karstark to death

§ Hot Pie stays at the inn, while Arya and others depart for Riverrun. The outlaws tell Arya of how they fight in the name of the old King Robert

§ As Sansa is fitted for a new gown, Margary Tyrell explains to Sansa how she isn't afraid of Joffrey as her brother will protect her.

§ The council talk over matters such as the "three-headed dragon in Qarth" and the Night's Watch asking for help from a wildling army. Tywin is disinterested in these matters. Tywin then sends everyone out but Tyrion and Cersei, where he asks Tyrion to marry Sansa, and Cersei to marry Willas Tyrell. Cersei storms out denying the offer, Tyrion does not.

§ Sansa is warned about the Tyrells by probably Littlefinger, and he promises escape on Joffrey's wedding day along with this.

§ Arya learns of Jaime Lannister's escape, and is told she will be taken to 'The Lightning Lord' rather than Riverrun, she tries to escape and fails.

§ Jaime tells Brienne a story of how he became Kingsguard as they travel to King's Landing

§ Daenerys speaks to Arstan about the Unsullied, he is very much against it, however Jorah isn't, she seems more persuaded by Jorah

§ Tyrion learns from Tywin of the marriage between Robb and Tulisa

§ Ends again with Samwell, however this time it is of him killing a White Walker with an Obsidian dagger

Episode 5:

§ The outlaws look for word of Lord Beric's whereabouts, however only find rumours of his hanging, in 3 different ways.

§ Davos' cell is visited by Melisandre, who then pretty much preaches to him about her religion, slightly bringing Davos around to believing in it, she then speaks of the Azor Ahai prophecy.

§ It is the night before Mance Raydar's planned attempt on scaling the wall, he asks about the patrols the Night's Watch use along the wall. They speak of where they plan to scale the wall

§ Daenerys asks for all 8000 Unsullied, and offers her dragon 'Drogon' for it. She then frees Missandei and learns the meaning of 'Valar Morghulis'

§ Arya arrives at 'High Heart', an old hill after the outlaws plan to ransom her at Riverrun after meeting up with Beric and Thoros. She hears a crazy prophecy there from the old dwarf woman

§ Jon and Ygritte cavern scene, she asks Jon to stay with her and hide in the cavern forever

§ Sansa hears of the plan for her to marry Tyrion, after thinking to herself what it would be like to marry Willas Tyrell

§ Robb is advised by Edmure to hold the Karstarks captive, however Robb must sentence them to death, he carries the sentence out himself in the Godswood, and Tulisa comes to Catelyn for advice

§ Lady Smallwood of Acorn Hall tells the outlaws that Thoros had been through recently, Arya hears from a blacksmith of what Thoros used to do to his swords

§ Sansa + Tyrion wedding ceremony, and the awkward bedding afterwards.

§ Jon and the Magnar's men scale the Wall, racing each other to the top.

§ Jaime and Brienne decide to fight in the middle of a forest, they are then surrounded by the Brave Companions, Zollo's sword comes down on Jaime and he screams - cliffhanger

Episode 6:

§ The Magnar's men have all reached the top of the wall, they send rope ladders down, Ygritte tells him with tears in her eyes, that the Horn of Joramun would have helped them bring the wall down without a fight

§ Arya and co. stay overnight at a brothel, in the middle of the night they hear a commotion, Arya recognizes the captive.

§ Jaime and Brienne are with the BC on the way to Harrenhall, Jaime's wounded hand is infected (cut off by Zollo). Some mummers try to rape Brienne and Jaime saves her.

§ Tyrion threatens Symon Silvertongue, trying to pay him to leave King's Landing, as he knows about Shae, after some argument, he orders Bronn to kill Symon.

§ Survivors of Mormont's lot arrive back at Craster's Keep, Samwell speaks with Mormont of Dragonglass and the White Walkers being their true enemy.

§ Alester Florent is tossed in Davos' cell, he speaks with him of Melisandre's madness and his worry of Stannis bending the knee. Davos assures him he won't

§ Tywin shows Tyrion the new Valyrian steel swords he made for Joffrey, then tells him he must consumate his marriage with Sansa, Pycelle brings tidings from the wall of the fear of Lord Mormont's death. Tywin tells him nobody can go to the wall unless Janos Slynt is made Lord Commander, Tyrion wishes he put Pycelle and Slynt to death when he had the chance.

§ A mutiny among the Night's Watch at Craster's keep, Craster is killed and so is Mormont, Mormont says to Samwell to forgive Jorah in his last words. Sam and Gilly escape on horseback with Gilly's new born son.

§ Arya is taken to 'Hollow Hill' with Sandor Clegane, they meet Thoros of Myr there. Dondarrion also comes to meet them, asking for charges to be made against The Hound, accusations he spits at, they are sentenced to trial by battle, the fight ends with The Hound's shield broken and his arm on fire, and him supposedly killing Dondarrion. Dondarrion however appears again alive.

§ Daenerys releases Drogon on the slaver, she then uses the Unsullied who now obey her to attack the slavers, and conquer Astapor.

Episode 7:

§ Tyrion is sent to greet the 300 Dornishmen, led by the Red Viper, known for using poisoned weapons in battle, he is shocked to see him leading them rather than his brother, Doran Martell

§ The Kingslayer is presented to Roose Bolton at Harrenhall who has Qyburn tend to his stump and Brienne's wounds also.

§ Hoster Tully's funeral, Robb negotiates a meeting between him and Walder Frey to hopefully restore the alliance.

§ The Red Viper tells the story to Tyrion of Elia, his sister and Gregor Clegane

§ Beric Dondarrion asks Thoros how many times he'd brought him back to life, He tells him 6 times and talk about this, they then plan on ransoming Arya to her family.

§ Robb is devastated about the news from Duskendale, he then goes on to tell Catelyn of Sansa's marriage to Tyrion. To negotiate an alliance with the Frey's they decide to marry Edmure to Roslin Frey.

§ Bran and the others reach 'Brandon's Gift', they try to find a way to get into the holdfast tower on an island in the middle of a lake.

§ Jon and the magnar's men are nearing this village by the lake, Jon keeps thinking of ways he can escape to Castle Black.

§ Axell Florent brings Davos to Stannis, believing he sees his victory in the flames, he then tells Davos to help him become hand, otherwise he'll have him killed, Stannis sentences Alester to death for treason. Stannis then speaks about how Robert Baratheon should have Varys the eunuch killed and sent Jaime Lannister to the wall.

§ Daenerys brings her Unsullied army to Yunkai where she makes an agreement with the captains from the two sellsword armies, they all give her offers she turns down, telling them all she will attack them in three days time.

§ Bran and company stay in the holdfast tower through a terrible thunderstorm in which Hodor is frightened of, Bran wargs into Hodor to calm him down. Jojen spots people in the village and Bran enters Summer to investigate.

§ Jon is commanded to kill an old man at one of the houses, he cannot do it so Ygritte does it for him, suddenly a direwolf (Summer) ambushes them and kills several wildlings, amidst the confusion, Jon flees on the old man's horse.

Episode 8:

§ Daenerys tells her commanders she will attack that night rather than in three days time, Daario then appears with the heads of the other captains, offering his service, Jorah tells her not to trust him, however she still plans on going ahead with the battle.

§ Catelyn and Robb travel to the twins in the rain with 3500 men, and without Tulisa. They reach Oldstones and Catelyn tells Robb of Oldstone's history.

§ Gendry joins the outlaws as a blacksmith, and is knighted by Beric Dondarrion. Everyone is worried The Hound will kill them in their sleep, however Lord Beric reassures them.

§ Jaime and Brienne are in the bathhouse together at Harrenhall, and he tells her his 'Kingslayer' story.

§ Robb tells Catelyn of his plan to legitimize Jon and name him heir of Winterfell should he and Tulisa not have a child. Catelyn tells him to name Arya as heir instead, however Robb believes her dead. Catelyn does not support Robb's choice however he ignores her.

§ Jon is hit by an arrow while heading for Castle Black.

§ The fight between the Unsullied army and the Sellsword army at Yunkai still rages on, while it happens, Daenerys asks Arstan to tell her more of her brother Rhaegar.

§ Arya hears more from the old dwarf woman, allusions towards the Purple and Red Wedding's, she also tells Arya to seek her mother at the twins, rather than Riverrun.

§ Sam and Gilly reach Whitetree and stay in the hut, however in the night the corpse of Small Paul attacks Sam, Sam kills it with a burning torch. Outside the hut, they begin to be surrounded by Wights.

§ Arya speaks with Edric Dayne who tells her a story of a woman her father was once in love with called 'Ashara' - mentioning Jon Snow's apparent mother - Wylla.

§ Robb speaks with Jason Mallister of their plans after the wedding, of meeting a Greyjoy host at Moat Caitlin, as Balon Greyjoy has just recently died.

§ The outlaws come upon a ruined town, in the night Arya escapes from the outlaws through the forest, however is caught by The Hound

§ Samwell and Gilly are saved by masses of ravens cutting the wights to pieces. They then flee south, however someone calls them, a man dressed in black, with a hand as black and cold as ice.

§ Arya attempts to kill The Hound in the night, however he takes the rock from her hands. Sandor promises some ferryman to take them across the trident, giving them only a parchment given to him by Dondarrion.

§ Daenerys wins the battle easily, she tells her men to spare any who lay down their swords, she runs on a mare through the host as they all call "Mother!"

Episode 9:

§ Arya and The Hound speak of hating siblings, him hating Gregor and her hating Sansa, The Hound then tells her he will ransom her to Robb at the twins.

§ Jaime promises Roose Bolton he will absolve him of all blame for his hand. Roose plans on giving Harrenhall to Vargo Holt as he plans to march to the Twins to meet Robb.

§ Jon Snow reaches Mole's Town and tells everyone to evacuate, later he arrives at Castle Black, where he hears the news from Maester Aemon of what's happened, and discusses some plans to counter the wildling attack that they are expecting.

§ Robb and Catelyn arrive at the twins, Ryman Frey is annoyed they didn't bring Tulisa. Catelyn warns Robb to not offend Walder Frey. Grey Wind seems aggressive towards the Frey's.

§ Roose Bolton leaves Harrenhall to ride for The Twins, Jaime leaves Harrenhall for King's Landing.

§ Robb reaches the gatehouse, inside he speaks with Walder, listening to insult after insult, Roslin Frey is brought out and Edmure is infatuated by her. Walder offers his hospitality.

§ Maester Aemon cleans Jon's wound, and tells him of the burning of Winterfell while he does, and the deaths of his brothers 'Bran' and 'Rickon' which Jon can't believe after seeing Summer at Brandon's Gift.

§ Daenerys arrives at Meereen with her larger army. Daenerys must claim the city before her army starves. She sends Belwas to kill the hero of Meereen, which he does, however nothing comes of it. She then hears of a secret way in through the sewers.

§ Bolton meets Robb and they speak of Ramsay keeping Theon hostage at Winterfell and how he will be wanted dead by Balon's brothers for his claim to the Seastone chair, Bolton has brought many of his own men, along with some Karstark men.

The Red Wedding event pretty much till the end of the episode, finishing at Catelyn's throat slit

Episode 10:

§ Arya watches as the pavillions collapse, she hears a wolf howling, and she and The Hound are spotted by Frey men. Arya wants to go into the castle however she can't, the Hound persuades her her brother and mother are dead, she tries to run but Sandor brings his axe to her head.

§ Tyrion learns at the Hand's Solar of Robb Stark's death, Joffrey is pleased and asks for his head to show to Sansa. Kevan Lannister and Tyrion are disgusted. Tywin says he should be taught a sharp lesson

§ Salladhor Saan tells Stannis the gory details of the Red Wedding. Melisandre tells them she has seen it in her flames that kings will pick up where the others died. There is then talk of Stone Dragons, and why Edric Storm's life is needed to raise the Stone Dragon, Melisandre has answers, however Stannis sends Davos away.

§ Donal Noyle and Jon prepare the Wall's defences

§ Bran and company reach the Nightfort, Bran recalls the horror stories he's heard of the place to Meera and Jojen but the Reeds are unafraid, they sleep in the kitchen and are awoken by footsteps.

§ Daenerys goes to visit the camps and is attacked by Mero of Braavos, however Arstan defends her and kills Mero with only his staff, Jorah is shocked that Arstan could do such a thing.

§ Tyrion is angry at Tywin for leaving him in the dark in the planning of the Red Wedding, Tywin says he couldn't really trust him and Cersei to keep their mouth's shut. They speak of what will happen to Westeros now, Roose Bolton will be Warden of the North, Arya will be married to Ramsay Bolton, though Tyrion believes her to be dead, Tywin however has some sort of plan for her secret. Talk then moves to Tyrion and Sansa's son that could be, becoming warden of the north. Tyrion retorts, asking when he expects Sansa to be more fertile, before or after she finds out the Lannisters murdered the rest of her family?

§ Davos begins to slowly read a letter from the Wall in Maester Pylos' lessons with him, teaching him to read, of Lord Mormont's defeat at The Fist, Melisandre and the King don't seem to be aware of this warning's existance.

§ The Magnar and his men attack, Jon and his men fire arrows from the roofs

§ The footsteps Bran hears are Sam and Gilly, who tell them of how they got there, describing Coldhands to them. Sam speaks of the spells woven into the wall, which then leads to a conversation about the link they have between each other, Jon. Samwell promises not to tell anyone of Bran's whereabouts on his own honour.

§ Jon has Ygritte in his sights, he tries not to fire an arrow towards her

§ Arstan Whitebeard reveals himself as Barristan, and pledges his sword to her name. Jorah warns her not to accept him as he had gone to Robert the Usurper's side after the Battle of the Trident, Barristan retorts, telling Daenerys of Jorah spying for Varys all this time, Jorah begs for her to keep him, telling her he was loyal since the birth of her dragons. Daenerys dismisses both of them.

§ Ending on a montage of the last few scenes of the siege at the wall, after Donal Noyle drops the powder keg, of the Magnar and the rest of his men perishing, and Ygritte dying in Jon's arms. This mixed with Bran arriving at the Black Gate, and a tear falling onto Bran with Samwell speaking the oath of the Night's Watch to let them in through the weirwood.

Sorry about the length!! Went off on one, that's the best I could do to predict the events of season 3

[Ramsay B.]

Longest post ever....probably not.

[Abaddon]

Nice list! One quibble: there's no way they're going to wait until Episode 3 to show something from the Fist. These episodes are going to be packed. Also I think the RW will be in Episode 8.

I believe we have had some indication that Hoster Tully is already dead and the funeral will happen very early on, possibly Episode 1.

I think we're going to see Balon's death on-screen.

I think a lot of what you put down is unfortunately going to be cut. I just don't see how they can do all of those things unless the episodes get 20 minutes longer.

[Drowningfish2304]

Haha i know what you mean, there isn't a lot of point of having hoster tully alive, as they need a reason to go to riverrun. You're right

Yeah maybe what i put for the end of episode 3 will happen at the end of episode 1, and episode 3 would end with arya's identity revealed.

Haha well they managed to pack a hell of a lot into the past 2 seasons! I believe they probably could fit all that into about 55 minutes or so.

Hmmm balon's death being on screen does seem to be the sort of thing they would do, having done the scene with melisandre in the cave in season 2 and such

[Aegnor]

None of the Martell party have been cast, so that scene is very unlikely to occur in S3. The Martell arrival is most likely pushed out to S4.

[Drowningfish2304]

Yeah take the martell stuff out, and move everything back a little bit to fit RW in episode 8, and PW in episode 10

The whole Oberyn Martell storyline can be saved for S4 with Tyrion's trial and all that

[Drowningfish2304]

Episode 1:

-Davos rescued by Salladhor Saan

-Jaime goes bald

-Catelyn & Robb's arrival at Riverrun to attend Hoster Tully's funeral

-Arya and company travelling to Riverrun using map exhausting themselves

-Tyrion speaks to Tywin about Duskendale + Bronn no longer in city watch

-Daenerys goes to docks, ambushed, Arstan introduced

-Bran breaks away from Osha + Rickon who go to Skagos

-Jaime ambushed by one of Edmure's river galleys

-Catelyn + Edmure argue about releasing Jaime

-Bran meets Jojen and Meera

-Jon meets Mance Rayder

-Samwell escapes to the fist, battle at the fist to end

Episode 2:

-Jon speaks with Mance Rayder who tests him, learning Mance's backstory

-Arstan talks to Daenerys on the boat about Rhaegar Targaryen

-Sansa is invited to dinner with Olenna + Margaery Tyrell

-Jaime + Brienne arrive at the kneeling man, stuff happens there, they leave

-Davos has conversation with Salladhor Saan in boat

-Tyrion speaks to Varys about Pycelle and Boros Blount

-Arya and company are ambushed by Outlaws

-Robb does battle plans with Edmure

-Sansa is asked about Joffrey, she gets it all out, she is asked to marry Willas

-Arya arrives at the inn Jaime and Brienne were at, situation about the horses etc.

-Tyrion meets with Shae to talk about protecting her from his father

-Jon observes Mance's host, giants, mammoths and all

-Harwin arrives at the inn and Arya's identity is revealed

-Ygritte tells Mance her and Jon are lovers and they sleep together that night

-Daenerys is sailing for Pentos, they change course to Astapor, Jorah and Daenerys kiss

-Davos arrives back at Dragonstone and he taken into custody.

Episode 3:

-Arya departs from the inn with the outlaws

-Council speaks of Littlefinger's plans to woo Lysa, making Tyrion master of coin, and other plans

-Jaime speaks to Brienne about how he became a knight of the Kingsguard while they travel

-Daenerys arrives at Astapor and speaks to the master slaver there about the Unsullied

-Arya is told she is off to see 'The Lighting Lord' rather than be taken to Riverrun

-Robb sentences Rickard Karstark to death

-Tywin talks to Cersei and Tyrion in person, word about Tyrion and Sansa's wedding.

-Arya tries to escape from the outlaws, fails

-Bran is told about the knight of the laughing tree while travelling north.

-Samwell kills a White Walker

Episode 4:

-Robb is advised to keep Karstarks alive by Edmure, he ignores him and carries out the sentence

-Night before Mance's host plan on scaling the wall, Jon and Ygritte cavern scene

-Arya and the outlaws are looking for Beric Dondarrion, they get to High Heart and hear the old dwarf's prophecy.

-Sansa is fitted for a new gown with Margaery, Margaery tells Sansa that she will be protected from Joffrey by Loras.

-Davos is visited in his cell by Melisandre, she talks about R'hllor and stuff

-Sansa getting herself ready for her weddding ceremony, conversation with someone like Littlefinger or Shae or someone like that.

-Tulisa comes to Catelyn for advice

-Jaime and Brienne have their little swordfight in the forest

-Arya at Acorn Hall

-Tyrion and Sansa's wedding ceremony, and the awkward bedding afterwards.

-Daenerys comes to Arstan and Jorah for advice on the Unsullied

-Jon and the Magnar's host scaling the wall.

-Jaime and Brienne are surrounded, hand is cut off

Episode 5:

-Jon and the lot reach the top of the wall, rope ladders are brought down, Ygritte talks with him about the horn of Joramun

-Samwell and survivors from the fist arrive at Craster's keep

-Arya and company are overnight at a brothel, late at night The Hound appears

-Hoster Tully's funeral

-Jaime saves Brienne from rape after mulling about his hand.

-Tyrion is suspicious of this Symon guy, he speaks with him, and orders Bronn to kill him

-Daenerys asks the master slaver for 8000 Unsullied, she offers Drogon for it

-Arya meets Beric Dondarrion and Thoros of Myr at Horn Hill, they decide a trial by combat with Clegane

-Robb decides on a meeting with him and Walder Frey

-Mutiny at Craster's keep, Sam escapes with Gilly

-Tywin talks of plans to send Janos Slynt to the wall and shows Tyrion Joffrey's new Valyrian swords

-Clegane kills Dondarrion in the trial by combat, however he comes back to life

Episode 6:

-Scene with Joffrey and Tyrion, something to do with Tyrion trying to educate Joffrey

-Daenerys speaks with Jorah who talks about Rhaegar Targaryen and honour

-Jaime arrives at Harrenhall where he talks with Roose Bolton

-a decision is made that Edmure must marry Roslin Frey

-Beric + Thoros have a conversation while Arya eavesdrops about Beric being brought back to life

-Sansa speaks with Littlefinger who talks about breaking her out of KL on Joffrey's wedding day

-Bet they throw a scene with Ros and Varys in there

-Allester Florent is thrown in Davos' cell, there is conversation about him and Stannis

-Jaime has his wound treated by Qyburn

-Beric and Thoros plan on ransoming Arya to Riverrun

-Big Dracarys scene

Episode 7:

-Arya is told by the old dwarf to seek her mother at the twins and not Riverrun

-Catelyn and Robb are travelling to the Twins in the 'autumn storms' (name of episode), they talk of legitimizing Robb and of Sansa

-Jon is with the Magnar's man, nearing a village by a lake - Queenscrown

-Davos is brought to Stannis with Alester Florent, Stannis talks about the time of Aerys Targaryen and stuff

-Bathhouse scene with Jaime and Brienne

-Shae and Tyrion do it in the room with the dragon skulls, drama about what Varys had said

-Daenerys and the army arrive at Yunkai, finding the place guarded by a huge force, she organizes a meeting with the two sellsword captains

-Arya speaks with Edric Dayne about her father

-Robb speaks to Jason Mallister about plans after the wedding

-Bran is travelling by the village next to the lake, they decide to stay in the Holdfast tower.

-Arya escapes from the outlaws, and is caught by The Hound

-Thunderstorm (autumn storms) at the holdfast tower, Bran wargs into summer to check out village by the lake

-Queenscrown scenes, Jon escapes

-Alester Florent sentenced to death for treason, scene with the leeches, quite ominous

Episode 8:

-Jon is reaching Mole's town, he gets there and tells the populace to evacuate

-Arya attemps to kill the Hound and fails

-Jaime has his last conversation with Roose Bolton just before he leaves Harrenhall for the Twins

-Robb and Catelyn arrive at the twins, the Frey's are disappointed Robb didn't bring Jeyne with him

-Jon arrives at castle black and talks to Maester Aemon about wildlings coming to attack Castle Black

-Daenerys has meeting with the sellsword captains, ends with her warning them she will attack in 3 days time

-The Hound begins to make for the Twins with Arya, they talk about hating siblings and stuff

-Robb and Catelyn meet Walder Frey in the gatehouse, insults are thrown between them, Edmure meets Roslin

-Jaime leaves Harrenhall for KL

-Daenerys tells Barristan she will attack the commanders that night

-Jon speaks to Maester Aemon about Bran while he tends to his arrow wound.

-Roose Bolton arrives at the twins and Robb speaks to him

-All the Arya events leading up to RW

-RW events for Catelyn & Robb

Episode 9:

-Arya watches as her mother's body floats down the river, they are ambushed by Freys and The Hound bumps her on the head with his axe

-Tyrion and Tywin talk of RW with Joffrey, Tyrion is disgusted by Joffrey's behaviour, Tywin says he needs a sharp lesson

-Tyrion goes back to his room, and Sansa hears about the RW, talk between them

-Salladhor Saan tells Stannis details of the RW, they talk of Stone Dragons coming to life and Edric Storm.

-Siege at Castle Black begins, they prepare Castle Black's defences

-Bran reaches the Nightfort, sleep in kitchen, hear footsteps

-Daario brings the heads of the other sellsword captains, and swears his service, she still commands the battle to take place

-The Magnar's host attacks castle black, battle begins there

-Davos reads a letter from the wall, after learning to read

-Arstan speaks to Daenerys during the battle at Yunkai, talking to her about Rhaegar Targaryen

-Tyrion talks to Tywin more about the RW and how he left him in the dark about it, they also speak of Roose Bolton as warden of the North and his son

-Jaime comes back for Brienne, scene at the bear pit

-Bran meets Samwell at the Nightfort, they have a conversation there about stuff, they are taken through the black gate

-Battling at castle black, Jon notices Ygritte's death, he goes down there and she dies in his arms

Episode 10:

-Tyrion hears more gruesome details of the RW, plans for Joffrey's wedding begin, Joffrey is given gifts, slices in half the important book

-Davos and a few men begin their mission to bring Edric Storm to secrecy

-Jon and the Mole's town and Castle Black survivors make for the wall.

-Sansa + Tyrion have a conversation in their bed chambers

-Davos and a few men find Edric Storm, and take him to Salladhor Saan's ship

-the PW, lasts a long time, shown in parallel with the battle at Yunkai with Daenerys

-PW ends with Tyrion's arrest, and Sansa escaping from KL, taking a ship

-Daenerys "Mother!" scene

-Uncat

This is a much more improved version, after thinking about it a little more