Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 I think the Onion more or less nailed it... http://www.theonion.com/article/trump-confident-us-military-strike-syria-wiped-out-55722 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Trump is golfing today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokisnow Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 23 hours ago, Mexal said: Our military isn't that incompetent. Our military has a long and storied history of lying about the outcomes of attacks to suit what the military wants to believe must be true . This is basically the exact story of every Vietnam conflict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 18 minutes ago, lokisnow said: Our military has a long and storied history of lying about the outcomes of attacks to suit what the military wants to believe must be true . This is basically the exact story of every Vietnam conflict Not to mention Buena Vista in the Mexican American War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazydog7 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Zorral said: Not to mention Buena Vista in the Mexican American War. Not to by a cynical fuck but "you provide the pictures i'll provide the war" isn't a new idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: Trump is golfing today. At what point do we ask ourselves if we're actually just getting trolled by some all powerful puppet master? I mean, wtf?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 On 4/7/2017 at 3:57 PM, Kalbear said: It's not about the military necessarily - it's about US power. If US power is simply shooting ineffectively at supposed enemies, that's not a great scene. Regardless of that, the Syrians being able to resume airstrikes from that base the very next day points out how completely ineffective that policy was. you don't use a million dollar plus cruise missile on a concrete runway, you use it to destroy a $36 million SU-34 bomber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 52 minutes ago, Commodore said: you don't use a million dollar plus cruise missile on a concrete runway, you use it to destroy a $36 million SU-34 bomber Well if that was the goal then they're aiming at the wrong airbase. Given the types of planes that are at the base, and that the highest estimate I've found for number of planes destroyed was 20, then there's a fair chance more money was spent in the missiles than in the amount of damage they caused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 The war of who spent the most. Like the casualties are the Syrian and US Treasuries. Somewhere some military accountant had the satisfaction of knowing that their nation destroyed more property, in terms of monetary value, than their nation's opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Commodore said: you don't use a million dollar plus cruise missile on a concrete runway, you use it to destroy a $36 million SU-34 bomber Bummer they didn't do that, either, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairparavel Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 U.S. Navy strike group to move toward Korean peninsula: U.S. official | Reutershttp://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN17A0V5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, kairparavel said: U.S. Navy strike group to move toward Korean peninsula: U.S. official | Reutershttp://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN17A0V5 Great. That's just great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Wouldn't you prefer a good game of chess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 30 minutes ago, James Arryn said: Wouldn't you prefer a good game of chess? Nah, Trump is playing Fortress America (TM) https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/99/fortress-america Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 44 minutes ago, James Arryn said: Wouldn't you prefer a good game of chess? Trump don't wanna play no steenkin' game 'o chess, that's for snooty eggheads like Obama. Better to see has the bigger dick, er..er, missiles, yeah missiles, by throwing a few around. Then head out the golf course and show off yur manly manliness by swinging the biggest club. yee haw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 nice to see college administrators pushing back against fascist mobs suppressing speech on campus https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/04/08/claremont-mckenna-statement-on-the-shutting-down-of-heather-mac-donalds-talk/?utm_term=.0e98308252e7 Quote Dear CMC Community: As you know, in a coordinated attempt to shut down Heather Mac Donald’s lecture last night, a large group of students from the Claremont Colleges, including a small number of CMC students and some individuals from external communities, gathered to protest and blocked guests from entering the Athenaeum. Based on the judgment of the Claremont Police Department, we jointly concluded that any forced interventions or arrests would have created unsafe conditions for students, faculty, staff, and guests. I take full responsibility for the decision to err on the side of these overriding safety considerations. Notwithstanding these efforts to stifle a speaker, Heather Mac Donald was able to give her presentation to a small audience at the Athenaeum. We also live-streamed her talk. Nearly 250 people viewed the presentation live, and her presentation that is posted on our CMC homepage has already been viewed over 1,400 times. In the end, the effort to silence her voice effectively amplified it to a much larger audience. Blocking access to buildings violates College policy. CMC students who are found to have violated policies will be held accountable. We will also give a full report to the other Claremont Colleges, who have responsibility for their own students. Finally, the breach of our freedoms to listen to views that challenge us and to engage in dialogue about matters of controversy is a serious, ongoing concern we must address effectively. Accordingly, we will be developing new strategies for how best to protect open, safe access to our events. I want to thank all of the staff, students, and faculty who worked to manage the evening at the Athenaeum, to keep everyone safe, and to ensure that Heather Mac Donald was able to communicate her presentation. We will be in touch with further developments. These snowflakes want to be removed so they can cry victim and cause a scene. A more effective deterrent is to identify them and give them an academic suspension. In this instance the brownshirts blocked all the entrances to the lecture hall. Then when MacDonald tried to do a live stream to an empty hall, they started banging on the windows outside to shut that down (successfully). No one has been charged/punished for a similar incident at Middlebury, where a professor was injured trying to escape a student mob with Charles Murray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokisnow Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 6 hours ago, Commodore said: you don't use a million dollar plus cruise missile on a concrete runway, you use it to destroy a $36 million SU-34 bomber If the five million dollar runway is rendered unusable, the million dollar planes and the 36 million dollar planes and the $36,000 planes all have the same value 0 because they're stuck on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Tough times ahead for the GOP? http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-suddenly-sweating-election-in-deep-red-kansas-district/ar-BBzxt79?ocid=ob-fb-enus-611 President Trump won Kansas's 4th District by almost 30 points in November. But Democrats in the district have been energized by the president's low-approval ratings and controversies in his first months in office, leaving Republicans sweating over whether they will be able to hold the seat. "Ron's run a horrible campaign," a Kansas Republican operative told the Examiner. "Hasn't raised much money, his ads are abysmal - no energy. It's a low turnout special and weird things happen." Pence isn't the only high-profile Republican to step in to try to aid Estes. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) is expected to make an appearance in Kansas' 4th District on Monday, according to the Kansas City Star. Another special House race in Georgia's 6th District also has Republicans scrambling for a win. Democrat Jon Ossoff has gained a high-profile in the district and is leading Republican candidates in polls to fill the House seat vacated by Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 7 hours ago, ThinkerX said: Tough times ahead for the GOP? http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-suddenly-sweating-election-in-deep-red-kansas-district/ar-BBzxt79?ocid=ob-fb-enus-611 I can't even begin to imagine that KS-4 will be a Democratic pick-up. Yes, special elections are weird sometimes, but if Democrats can win that seat, they could win 100 seats, maybe even more, in 2018. What interests me is the margin, since a closer than expected loss would still portend good things for the future. Its GA-6 and MT-at large that I want to see as pick-ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Using Tomahawks against an airfield is pretty useless. You need anti-runway deep-penetrating ordinance which fragments the paving slabs and creates damage that requires half or more of the surface to be relayed, putting the runway out of commission for days or weeks. Unfortunately you need aircraft to drop those bombs and the US is running scared of the Russian AA systems (almost certainly now the best in the world) which are highly likely to see through American stealth technology. This was a purely political move of no measurable military value. If the early damage reports are right, the US spent millions of dollars to destroy a cafe, a training room and six Syrian planes (which may have already been out of action). That's not very impressive. It did, however, get people talking about something other than Trump's Russian ties for a couple of days. 14 hours ago, kairparavel said: U.S. Navy strike group to move toward Korean peninsula: U.S. official | Reutershttp://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN17A0V5 Interesting to see how much airpower the US can actually deploy over North Korea if needed (including the bases in Guam and Japan which are within flying range). The Carl Vinson by itself probably wouldn't be enough, although (if the navy website is up to date) they could arguably deploy the Nimitz and Roosevelt as well if the shit really hit the fan. If the US is to contemplate a first strike on North Korea (as clearly has now moved from contingency to active planning) they'll need to hit the North's artillery and missile batteries en masse, as close to simultaneously as possible, to stop or minimise any possible reprisal attack against the South or Japan. That's a fuckload of plans they need to put in the air at the same time, without any warning to the North. We're not quite there yet, but if North Korea keeps up its missile tests, this could escalate pretty damn quickly. The only question is where the red line is for Trump. A repeat of that mistake North Korea made a few years ago (when they shelled a South Korean island) might be all it takes. And of course South Korea needs to make its position clear as well, but it seems consumed by internal political turmoil at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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