Mexal Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 On the plus side, Amendment 4 in Florida passes, giving 1 million plus felons the right to vote again in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Doesn't look like Gillum is gonna be able to make up the deficit. That's a significant polling error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Just now, Mexal said: On the plus side, Amendment 4 in Florida passes, giving 1 million plus felons the right to vote again in 2020. That's a great result at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokisnow Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 51 minutes ago, Fez said: Ugh. Bunch of Republican holds in various House districts just got called, still a huge number of races open, but if Republicans grind out enough +1 to +4 point wins in all these gerrymandered districts to hold the House I'm gonna be sick. Fez, you’ve been consistently posting for six years that this round of gerrymandering was a big nothing; totally meaningless overall, no reason to get agitated and that at most it netted republicans +12 to +20 seats which is hardly worth worrying about, what changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingintheNorth4 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Republican Illinois Governor Bruce Rauner has conceded to Democratic opponent J.B. Pritzker. I hope he keeps his promises and actually governs as a progressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokisnow Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, Kalbear said: Also, my prediction on why polls are off: combination of hacking shenanigans in key districts and polls once again fucking up how many uneducated white voters turned out. The Russians got this, I never had any doubt. Also the explicitly racist caravan Lies that the media so helpfully covered breathlessly and Nonstop was Insanely effective at GOTV and made all the ignorant whites wake up and vote. explicit racist screaming is going to be the non stop theme of the 2020 election from EVERY SIngle Republican running for office because there is nothing so proven so fantastically effective at goosing the turnout and republican share of uneducated whites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, karaddin said: That's a great result at least Yea, this is huge. 40% of all black men in Florida can now vote. Kind of a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 14 minutes ago, Kalbear said: Also, my prediction on why polls are off: combination of hacking shenanigans in key districts and polls once again fucking up how many uneducated white voters turned out. Sure, let's be irresponsible and assume hacking shenanigans! It's fun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 https://twitter.com/hashtag/APracecall?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1059987339546636289&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.com%2Felection-results%2F2018%2Felection-day-live-updates-analysis%2Fnov-6%2F Senator Menendez wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Kilmore Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Tywin et al. said: I would take it a step further. I don’t think Trump is your standard narcissist. I think he suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I know you there are subtle difference between the two, and Trump basically checks off most of the features of the latter: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662 One important thing to factor in is how people with NPD react to negative stimuli. An everyday narcissist will not be affected by negative criticism. It can cut a person deeply who suffers from NPD, and a major politic rebuke of Trump could lead to him taking drastic and dangerous actions. I wasn't clear, but that was where my thoughts were going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, lokisnow said: Fez, you’ve been consistently posting for six years that this round of gerrymandering was a big nothing; totally meaningless overall, no reason to get agitated and that at most it netted republicans +12 to +20 seats which is hardly worth worrying about, what changed? I never said it was a big nothing, and I'm not sure where you got those numbers from, 'cause I never said them. The only thing I've consistently said about gerrymandering is that I think natural geographic sort plays a big part too. Also, until about 18 months ago, I was consistently down on Democrats ever winning the House at least until the 2021 redistricting. Things looked different this cycle though. And a win is still very much possible, especially if Democrats hold on in VA-2 and VA-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 ok, so I'm checking 538 and cnn, but cnn's updates of numbers is clearly behind what some people are quoting here. Where should I be looking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Does anyone have any intel on what areas are still be counted in Texas? I'm expecting Cruz to fall over the line, but I don't have a good handle on whether it will be by <1% or a much wider margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Maithanet said: ok, so I'm checking 538 and cnn, but cnn's updates of numbers is clearly behind what some people are quoting here. Where should I be looking? sorry man, dunno anything better. Just search around I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Just now, DMC said: sorry man, dunno anything better. Just search around I guess? Nate Silver said ten minutes ago that Democrats are ahead narrowly in VA-7, but I can't find anything that agrees with that (I see it as still Brat +1.5). Ok, it just updated. That's irritating. But good for our team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Rippounet said: I wouldn't say "never" but yes, my earlier point was that it has been quite rare for the US government/regime to de-humanize entire groups of people or entire populations. I should have said "in modern times" I guess. Because while the Indian wars may provide an interesting counter-example, that era was not exactly great for individual rights to begin with. In fact, one should bear in mind that the Bill of Rights only became what it is after the doctrine of incorporation around the beginning of the 20th century. So it's difficult to ascertain whether de-humanizing Indians could have any significant effect on US citizens... I'm not a specialist of that time period (to say the least), but I would assume that Indians were a great scapegoat to manipulate vast numbers of Americans, like all later "enemies" (Chinese/Irish immigrants, slaves, former slaves, black activists, communists, anarchists, Soviets, terrorists... ). In modern times, I would agree with you... but modern times are a pretty short period of history which is exceptional in several other ways. And even in modern times the US has a tendency to bomb at least one new place (i.e. one it wasn't bombing before) per Presidential administration and sometimes more than that. It's a nicer place to be an insider than most, but it's not nice to outsiders. 5 hours ago, Rippounet said: I'll go out on a limb here and just say it: this doesn't revolutionize human rights as much as you seem to think it does. As long as no "quantification" is done at birth, such a system does not clash with universal human morality. What it clashes with is the US-centered vision of individual rights and society, which I personally do not share 100% to begin with. In fact, one can easily imagine a way to refine the Chinese system that would be considerably fairer and more efficient than any human society we have seen up to now. I'll even go one step further and posit that the Chinese system appears terrifying because it makes society's judgment of individuals constant and concrete. It forces the individual to think about their contribution to the collective and demeans those who don't. Because most of us (here on this forum) live in nations that respect individualism, we are used to thinking about ourselves (and our family) first and foremost most of the time. But I've personally always assumed that humanity may end up despising individualism, a bit like the Japanese do. BTW, this was relatively clearly the case in Star Trek, as the iconic Spock phrase "Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" shows - among many others. If you're OK with the extended social credit score, then your idea of human is somewhat different from mine (and indeed, from most Americans) -- it is considerably more expansive. With that expansive definition, I will grant you that "human rights" are not likely to go away... but they won't look much like what we in the US (or even Europe) envision them to be right now. And yes, the Chinese system done well has the potential to be a better society. 5 hours ago, Rippounet said: One can only hope that this ubermenschification you allude to will eventually be available to all humans. Which in turn, would possibly erase the greatest "inequalities" at birth. I think it can go either way. Historically, technology has made the lives all human beings easier, but it has not eliminated inequality. It's possible that after a certain stage everyone will have access... but it's also possible that humanity will bifurcate one or more times. Unlike the social credit score, I wouldn't bet money on seeing either outcome in our lifetimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Man, early returns in NJ are horrible, and in PA are great. Very weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Florida can eat my dick man. Gonna stop voting from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Two more Democratic house flips called, CO-6 and PA-5. Both on the lower hanging fruit end of things, but are important wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnot OG Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Looks like lots of rural white voters loved the racism they heard from Republican politicians. I knew a blue wave wasn't coming. This country is too bigoted and self serving to give a fuck. And black voters in GA, MI, FL and TX were cheated. No matter who wins, that is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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