dbunting Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 My point is still valid. You can't blame all of Dallas' sucking on McCarthy. The defense was mid level at best last year and they let their best player leave to FA without any semblance of a replacement. Then they took a def that was built on pursuit and rotating in and out and changed their style of play and now they are constantly out of position. 6 hours ago, DanteGabriel said: Young was blocked by the Dallas dynasty and then the ascending Bret Favre Packers. McCarthy was blocked by... the Eli Manning Giants. Ehh.. When was the last time Green Bay selected a WR in first round? Could you imagine how much better they would have been if Rodgers had true #1 and #2 receivers to throw to. He made the mediocre receivers look great. That's front office, not coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 4 hours ago, dbunting said: Ehh.. When was the last time Green Bay selected a WR in first round? Could you imagine how much better they would have been if Rodgers had true #1 and #2 receivers to throw to. He made the mediocre receivers look great. That's front office, not coaching. When was the last time a team built on premium WRs won? KC sorta, but they're more about Mahomes and overall speed than about having top receivers. If the front office wasn't getting the most talented receivers, why did McCarthy keep running out offenses where the receivers had to win individual battles? McCarthy absolutely fucked away sure playofff wins with shitty coaching decisions. The NFC Championship against Seattle comes to mind. Of course it's not entirely McCarthy's fault, because it's almost never just one person's fault in football, but he was a big problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said: When was the last time a team built on premium WRs won? KC sorta, but they're more about Mahomes and overall speed than about having top receivers. I can only think of a few teams that have ever been built on premium WRs, so that seems like a non-argument. If the question is "what teams with a clearly top 5 group of WRs in the league has won a championship", then I would name KC and Denver this decade, and several teams in the late 00s (NO, IND, PIT). It's not essential, obviously, but neither is any other position group. The only exception would be D line, since I can't come up with a single SB winner that wasn't at least above average at that spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 42 minutes ago, Maithanet said: I can only think of a few teams that have ever been built on premium WRs, so that seems like a non-argument. If the question is "what teams with a clearly top 5 group of WRs in the league has won a championship", then I would name KC and Denver this decade, and several teams in the late 00s (NO, IND, PIT). It's not essential, obviously, but neither is any other position group. The only exception would be D line, since I can't come up with a single SB winner that wasn't at least above average at that spot. I believe you can also say that about the O-line. I’m going off of memory, but IIRC, over the last handful of seasons the top teams at the end of the year have also had the top offensive lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: I believe you can also say that about the O-line. I’m going off of memory, but IIRC, over the last handful of seasons the top teams at the end of the year have also had the top offensive lines. FO had KC's O line as 28th in the country in both run and pass blocking last year. And the 2017 Eagles were nothing special on O line (22nd run block, 12th pass block). Football outsiders isn't perfect, because it's a regular season stat, and thus teams that surge in the playoffs like the 2011 Giants and the 2012 Ravens look terrible. But still, KC's O line wasn't great - Mahomes was getting beat up quite a bit vs the Niners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 39 minutes ago, Maithanet said: FO had KC's O line as 28th in the country in both run and pass blocking last year. And the 2017 Eagles were nothing special on O line (22nd run block, 12th pass block). Football outsiders isn't perfect, because it's a regular season stat, and thus teams that surge in the playoffs like the 2011 Giants and the 2012 Ravens look terrible. But still, KC's O line wasn't great - Mahomes was getting beat up quite a bit vs the Niners. Yeah I recall KC being a huge exception last year, but I thought they ranked pretty high the year before. The larger point I was making is that if you look at top 5 or 10 in DOVA for offensive line play you’ll see a lot of playoff teams. A good offensive line typically seems to translate into overall team success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbunting Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 10 hours ago, Tywin et al. said: Yeah I recall KC being a huge exception last year, but I thought they ranked pretty high the year before. The larger point I was making is that if you look at top 5 or 10 in DOVA for offensive line play you’ll see a lot of playoff teams. A good offensive line typically seems to translate into overall team success. So you are saying good line play can be a large factor in overall team success? So if a team lost all of their starters and several back ups then chances are the team is not going to perform? So then you fire the head coach of course because that's his fault? Your mantra is fire McCarthy and your statement above doesn't support it. Which has been my point. It's not fair to judge him in Dallas based on what he is dealing with on that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, dbunting said: So you are saying good line play can be a large factor in overall team success? So if a team lost all of their starters and several back ups then chances are the team is not going to perform? So then you fire the head coach of course because that's his fault? Your mantra is fire McCarthy and your statement above doesn't support it. Which has been my point. It's not fair to judge him in Dallas based on what he is dealing with on that line. My mantra was from the jump that nobody should hire him. He's a bad coach who got blessed with one of the best QB situations ever. And he was a hinderance to both of them. He makes terrible decisions. He even admitted that he lied in the hiring process about his new found love of analytics, because he knew people wanted to hear that. McCarthy sucks! What have you seen that proves otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbigski Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 7:34 PM, DMC said: I'd be encouraged by the Niners demolishing of the Pats if more and more of their key performers didn't continue to get injured. You're a niners fan? Whatever else happens, I'm rooting for them to be the winningest team in Met Life Stadium this year. (Apart from if it moves the Texans' first pick further back.) On 10/27/2020 at 5:25 AM, dbunting said: The offense was fine until the bubonic plague of injuries took hold. The defense however was shit from game one. The HC deserves his time, but only if he is willing to see issues and make adjustments. I'm sure with his deep focus on modern football analytics it will be fine. IIRC the Jets were looking at him but got wowed by Gase. Kind of a which testicle to you want to get eaten by a rabid wolverine choice. Tua time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, mcbigski said: Whatever else happens, I'm rooting for them to be the winningest team in Met Life Stadium this year. Well those were pyrrhic victories for the Niners but glad they could be of service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Cook!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskaral Pust Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Can the Vikes see it out? Neither defense made any impact in the first half, but the Vikes were able to control the Packers offense for most of the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said: Can the Vikes see it out? Neither defense made any impact in the first half, but the Vikes were able to control the Packers offense for most of the second half. Sack fumble for the win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Bengals get their first win against a good team in two years. Feels good. Really loving the chemistry Burrow and Tee Higgins are developing. Also, Jessie Bates is an absolute stud. He’s playing as well as any safety in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingintheNorth4 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Two deep passes from the Bears. I'm shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Nictarion said: Bengals get their first win against a good team in two years. Feels good. Really loving the chemistry Burrow and Tee Higgins are developing. Also, Jessie Bates is an absolute stud. He’s playing as well as any safety in the league. Burrow is the real deal. Excited for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingintheNorth4 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 What an ugly chain of events by the Bears offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskaral Pust Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, KingintheNorth4 said: What an ugly chain of events by the Bears offense. It was shameful watching them flub around like that. But somehow have a chance in OT now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said: It was shameful watching them flub around like that. But somehow have a chance in OT now. The Bears offense is so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskaral Pust Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: The Bears offense is so bad. It’s worse than that. Much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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