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5 hours ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

Have we ever gotten an explanation on why the must always be a Stark at Winterfell?

dude , that's like one of the big mysteries of the series

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10 hours ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

I meant different from the other ASOIAF surnames. 

Oh, sorry for misunderstanding. Hmmm, not to my ear as much as yours, probably, like Costayne, Gargalan, Harclay, Cargyll, Qorgyle, Florent, Morrigen, Belgrave, Egen, even Bolton sound ~ kinda from the same ~ Scottish/northern English pool that I can easily imagine coming with a burr (though my step grandfather is named Bolton and is more English/Welsh). But we are admittedly pretty far from the highway of objectivity here. I do agree there is [i]something[/i] about Clegane, but I’ve always assumed that was by way of association. 

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I always forget that the Elder Brother may know the truth about why Jaime killed Aerys. Brienne basically confessed her whole life story to him, including her journey with Jaime in ASOS, so it wouldn’t be out of the question for her to have mentioned this, since it influenced their relationship so much. I get the impression that EB takes secrecy very seriously, but I’m curious if he’ll reveal this story to someone down the line, and the domino effect this will have. 

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8 hours ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

I always forget that the Elder Brother may know the truth about why Jaime killed Aerys. Brienne basically confessed her whole life story to him, including her journey with Jaime in ASOS, so it wouldn’t be out of the question for her to have mentioned this, since it influenced their relationship so much. I get the impression that EB takes secrecy very seriously, but I’m curious if he’ll reveal this story to someone down the line, and the domino effect this will have. 

I don’t think the truth would do Jaime any good.  The general view would still be to condemn him for breaking his oath.

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1 hour ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

Completely random thought: If the ending in the books doesn't turn out to be the same as in the show, could that technically be labeled as false advertising or something like that?

Yes, but to sue for damages you need to show that you received an inferior product. For example, a restaurant can substitute ingredients from what's listed on the menu provided the substitute ingredients aren't cheaper or of worse quality. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume the ending in the books will not be deemed to be inferior to the ending in the show.

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7 hours ago, Groo said:

Yes, but to sue for damages you need to show that you received an inferior product. For example, a restaurant can substitute ingredients from what's listed on the menu provided the substitute ingredients aren't cheaper or of worse quality. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume the ending in the books will not be deemed to be inferior to the ending in the show.

I wasn't thinking in terms of better/worse, but more strictly in terms of same/different. It's public knowledge that GRRM provided D&D with the endings for the major characters. If those endings turn out to be different in the books, could it be interpreted as him having lied to them?  

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5 hours ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

I wasn't thinking in terms of better/worse, but more strictly in terms of same/different. It's public knowledge that GRRM provided D&D with the endings for the major characters. If those endings turn out to be different in the books, could it be interpreted as him having lied to them?  

No.  They’re different canon.

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11 hours ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

I wasn't thinking in terms of better/worse, but more strictly in terms of same/different. It's public knowledge that GRRM provided D&D with the endings for the major characters. If those endings turn out to be different in the books, could it be interpreted as him having lied to them?  

should D&D sue George for lying about endings some 20yrs before he writes them? would we? ! 

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12 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

@Ran Do you perhaps have some more background info on Jonothor Darry? As I understand it, House Darry is a smaller house, that isn't known for producing first-class warriors. So I wonder how he ended up in the Kingsguard, especially in the era of Barristan Selmy and Arthur Dayne?

The Demon of Darry was a past Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. 

The Darrys are strong Targaryen loyalists, considering the tapestries they had of all the kings. And Ser Willem Darry was the one entrusted with Daenerys and Viserys. He was Jonothor's brother.

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7 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

Wasn't he also the master-at-arms at King's Landing? So I guess he was a great warrior too.

He was indeed master-at-arms. Doesn't necessarily mean he was great-great, but he was no doubt considered skilled and suitable to teach princes and wards of the court and so on.

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3 minutes ago, Ran said:

He was indeed master-at-arms. Doesn't necessarily mean he was great-great, but he was no doubt considered skilled and suitable to teach princes and wards of the court and so on.

I don't know, I always percieved the Darrys as kind of similar to the Freys, a mid-ranking house in the Riverlands. And yet there are no legendary Frey warriors, and definitely no members of the Kingsguard. Why this difference?

I know it's a random thought, but that's what this thread is for. :D

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6 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

I don't know, I always percieved the Darrys as kind of similar to the Freys, a mid-ranking house in the Riverlands.

They're a much older house, dating from the time of the First Men and their wars with the Andals.

Lord Darry was noted as a loyalist to Daeron II during the First Blackfyre Rebellion, so it seems the family has been strong royalists at least as far back as that. 

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8 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

I don't know, I always percieved the Darrys as kind of similar to the Freys, a mid-ranking house in the Riverlands. And yet there are no legendary Frey warriors, and definitely no members of the Kingsguard. Why this difference?

I know it's a random thought, but that's what this thread is for. :D

Well, the Umbers and the Crakehalls are also mid-tier houses, the Cleganes even less so, and they all have their fair share of warriors, so I don’t think it’s that peculiar in this universe.

One interesting thing is that, with the exception of Cregan Stark, there haven’t been any really notable Stark warriors. Most of the other great houses have had a few.

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2 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

Well, the Umbers and the Crakehalls are also mid-tier houses, the Cleganes even less so, and they all have their fair share of warriors, so I don’t think it’s that peculiar in this universe.

Maybe so, but I always assumed that being in Aerys' Kingsguard is like being on the Golden State Warriors team with Steph Curry and Kevin Durant. You have to be truly special.

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2 hours ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:
1 hour ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

Maybe so, but I always assumed that being in Aerys' Kingsguard is like being on the Golden State Warriors team with Steph Curry and Kevin Durant. You have to be truly special.

A lot of factors play in, but you’ll notice that KGs are disproportionately from houses near King’s Landing/in the Crownlands, ie direct vassals of the crown. So some of it is politics, some of it is familiarity, some of it is prestige, or reputation, and the farther from KL your house is, the larger your reputation would have to be to be noticed in KL. 
 

But there aren’t (that we know of) any particularly legendary Selmys before Barry, nor Whents before Oswell, and while Jaime was undoubtedly a fantastic fighter, that was not why he was on Aerys’ kingguard. So, there’s no formula. 

There are houses with a reputation for producing a lot of great warriors, but aside from the Daynes that’s mostly houses like Crabb and Umber and Crakehall and Baratheon and Strong and Clegane and Mormont who are notable for producing a lot of huge, strong men. 

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