Random Thoughts About ASOIAF

[Lady Anna]

I pronounce Brynden as bry-den. Like the first part rhyming with 'dry'. Now I'm questioning it bryn-den makes sense because of the 'n' after the 'y'.

 

[EggBlue]

I've got a long thought:)

in SoS , Jon looks up and names 4 stars he shares with Yigrete in name: 

"...he was old friends with the Ice Dragon, the Shadowcat, the Moonmaid, and the Sword of the Morning. All those he shared with Ygritte..."

now in my latest re-read ,I can't help but think of Jon , Arya and Sansa when reading Ice Dragon (duh!) , Shadowcat (dangerous , quite killer) and Moonmaid (shy and beautiful) . then I thought these are Stark children ! does that make Bran the Sword of the Morning? ..

I searched Sword of the Morning in the books . there are two occasions that this star appears in the books , both in Jon chapters : first in this chapter when Jon has a bit of an identity crisis and later in the next chapter in the morning when he allows himself to hope and sees Sword of the Morning still hung in the south . then I searched for the Ice Dragon (my better candidate for Jon Snow's star). apparently the ice Dragon is the northern star and it keeps leading Bran to his destiny beyond the Wall. ... so in second glance , Jon's the Sword of the Morning and Bran is the Ice Dragon= tied to the Others (beautiful magical Ice creatures) and opposite of Dany and her fire dragons (beautiful magical fire creatures ) 

so , what does it mean? ... the first thing that comes to mind is Jon's parentage debate . as much as I like Jon to be Arthur Dayne's son for the symmetry it makes between father and son and their celibate brotherhoods and their broken vows , I think there's unfortunately a slim chance that it's the case(unless George gives us more clues in WoW) . however , Dayne bastard or not , I think Jon will get Dawn (or not) and takes up the role that perhaps the first Sword of the Morning had : ending the Long Night and "hope" he allows himself when seeing Sword of the Morning is the dream of spring that he will represent .

Edited May 4, 2022 by EggBlue

[Takiedevushkikakzvezdy]

@Werthead Do you know if it's true that GRRM finished all of Tyrion's ASOS chapters while still writing ACoK? If so, he must have planned some version of the Queenmaker plot for a very long time.

[Werthead]

12 hours ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

@Werthead Do you know if it's true that GRRM finished all of Tyrion's ASOS chapters while still writing ACoK? If so, he must have planned some version of the Queenmaker plot for a very long time.

I believe so, if not all of them then it appears the majority.

[The Bard of Banefort]

On 5/6/2022 at 5:49 AM, Werthead said:

I believe so, if not all of them then it appears the majority.

This is why I think that George, in a way, has written some of ADOS already. He’s probably written more Tyrion and Arya chapters than can fit in Winds, and maybe a few other characters like Cersei too.

[The Bard of Banefort]

Cersei’s technically the lady paramount of the Westerlands, right? I always forget that, but it’s kind of a huge deal. I do believe Kevan deserves some blame for putting Cersei through the Walk of Shame (and being dumb enough to think that Tywin wouldn’t oppose it) but I still consider him less of a misogynist than Tywin for not trying to rob her of that.
 

It also goes to show that Tyrion really didn’t need Tywin’s approval to be the next Lord of Casterly Rock. No one except Cersei would have objected, and she would have probably been placated by knowing that he was far away from her this way. It’s like how a bunch of the Ironborn still wanted Theon to be king after Balon’s death, even though he had disappeared. It’s certainly ironic.

[Hugorfonics]

1 hour ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

Cersei’s technically the lady paramount of the Westerlands, right?

No? She made her cousins the Warden and castellen, idk about defacto boss tho, I believe that's all tbd

1 hour ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

. I do believe Kevan deserves some blame for putting Cersei through the Walk of Shame (and being dumb enough to think that Tywin wouldn’t oppose it) but I still consider him less of a misogynist than Tywin for not trying to rob her of that.

For sure, but less then near infinite is still a pretty high number lol

1 hour ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

It also goes to show that Tyrion really didn’t need Tywin’s approval to be the next Lord of Casterly Rock.

Word. The thing about a will and testimony is your not there to inforce it

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She ripped the letter in half, ripped the halves in quarters, and let the pieces flutter to the floor.

"Those were the king's words," Ser Barristan said, shocked.

"We have a new king now," Cersei Lannister replied.

 

1 hour ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

No one except Cersei would have objected, and she would have probably been placated by knowing that he was far away from her this way.

I don't think so, Cersei is convinced Tyrion is out to destroy her and her life, I don't think there's any scenario where she's not Tyrion's enemy

1 hour ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

It’s like how a bunch of the Ironborn still wanted Theon to be king after Balon’s death, even though he had disappeared. It’s certainly ironic.

There were, are (and I think will be) absolutely zero support for Theon on the iron islands

[EggBlue]

2 hours ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

Cersei’s technically the lady paramount of the Westerlands, right? I always forget that, but it’s kind of a huge deal. I do believe Kevan deserves some blame for putting Cersei through the Walk of Shame (and being dumb enough to think that Tywin wouldn’t oppose it) but I still consider him less of a misogynist than Tywin for not trying to rob her of that.
 

yeah but he was still a misogynist nonetheless 

2 hours ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

It also goes to show that Tyrion really didn’t need Tywin’s approval to be the next Lord of Casterly Rock. No one except Cersei would have objected, and she would have probably been placated by knowing that he was far away from her this way. 

I think there is no scenario where Cersei doesn't blame Tyrion for something... if it's not Jefferey's death , it's Tywin's , if not Tywin , Jaimie's love , if not Jaimie , Casterly Rock, etc. but yes I do think Tyrion could have ended up lord without any problem ; he was legally the heir , he was smart enough to put every one of his vassals in their humble place and he was the king's brother in law

[The Bard of Banefort]

46 minutes ago, Hugorfonics said:

No? She made her cousins the Warden and castellen, idk about defacto boss tho, I believe that's all tbd

For sure, but less then near infinite is still a pretty high number lol

Word. The thing about a will and testimony is your not there to inforce it

 

I don't think so, Cersei is convinced Tyrion is out to destroy her and her life, I don't think there's any scenario where she's not Tyrion's enemy

There were, are (and I think will be) absolutely zero support for Theon on the iron islands

Didn’t Euron execute Lord Botley for saying that Theon was the rightful king?

[Hugorfonics]

24 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

Didn’t Euron execute Lord Botley for saying that Theon was the rightful king?

Word, good call!

That's what Goodbrother said, idk if that's exactly what Botley said though. I say this because Goodbrother is a weird type of Ironborn. He likes the faith and maesters and all things greenland. So to me it makes sense why he'd want the first son to be heir, instead of whatever the Ironborn usually do (which is usually first son lol)

[TormundsWoman]

On 3/14/2022 at 10:06 AM, By Odin's Beard said:

I figured out why Vargo Hoat* had a lisp.  Vargo was heavily associated with the Black Goat, and the sigil of the Black Goat is the Theta, because the Theta looks exactly like a goat's eye.  Θ And the Theta signifies death, and that it is why it was the sigil of the Ecological Engineering Corp and the Yaga-la-hai death cult.

 

The Theta is the sound "TH" and having Vargo's every other syllable be "TH" is hitting us over the head with Thetas.  Because he is the avatar of the Black Goat.

Hahaha this is the most hilarious thing I’ve read all day!

[The Bard of Banefort]

I always burst into a fit of giggles whenever someone mentions how GRRM is so desperate not to write Winds that he went out and bought a train 

[The Bard of Banefort]

I think I’ve said this before, but I consider Tywin’s greatest attribute to be how he looked after his four younger siblings for basically his entire life (I know he’s said to have also been a good husband, but I have my suspicions). I was thinking about the possibility of how, with the rate that the Lannister cousins are dropping, Joy Hill might end up inheriting Casterly Rock, and it occurred to me: Tywin humiliated his father’s mistress, and threatened to kill any whore he found with Tyrion, but he was apparently willing to take care of Gerion’s bastard and, as far as we know, never did anything to Joy’s mother. For whatever reason, he didn’t see that as an embarrassment.

[James Arryn]

21 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

I think I’ve said this before, but I consider Tywin’s greatest attribute to be how he looked after his four younger siblings for basically his entire life (I know he’s said to have also been a good husband, but I have my suspicions). I was thinking about the possibility of how, with the rate that the Lannister cousins are dropping, Joy Hill might end up inheriting Casterly Rock, and it occurred to me: Tywin humiliated his father’s mistress, and threatened to kill any whore he found with Tyrion, but he was apparently willing to take care of Gerion’s bastard and, as far as we know, never did anything to Joy’s mother. For whatever reason, he didn’t see that as an embarrassment.

I think the first was pretty basic Freudian angst and the second was just one of many Tyrion-specific pathologies Tywin demonstrates. 
 

edit:: having said that, I disagree with those who say Shae in his bed makes Tywin a hypocrite, even if we assume she was there for the most obvious of reasons. Tywin basically never talks about morality, he often talks about prestige. If Tyrion whored his life away but no one knew about it, I doubt Tywin would care. Well, he might because it’s Tyrion, but my point is whenever he talks to Tyrion about Shae he talks about image/prestige/reputation.
 

He doesn’t say ‘whores are immoral’, he says ‘you disgrace our house by openly consorting with whores’. There’s a difference, and it’s one that, if the rumour is true, Tywin cared enough about to build a secret freaking tunnel. So his condemnation of Tyrion’s public ‘whoring’ and his own completely secret whoring are not contradictory, they are different things entirely and in fact Tywin’s  insistence on keeping it quiet is a much more rational demand than keeping it celibate. He just doesn’t trust Tyrion to maintain the distinction, with cause. 

Edited May 12, 2022 by James Arryn

[Aejohn the Conqueroo]

On 5/9/2022 at 3:52 PM, TormundsWoman said:

Hahaha this is the most hilarious thing I’ve read all day!

Yeah, but it makes sense so I'll call it another good catch by OB.  I think it's interesting but don't care either way. Vargo Hoat has seriously enriched my life. Back when I read Storm for the first time I would sometimes loudly exclaim "Kingthlayer!"  and then happily snigger to myself for a good 2 or 3 minutes when I thought I was alone.  Ok I still do sometimes, and I throw in the odd 'thapphireth' too.

[BlackLightning]

On 4/26/2022 at 12:59 PM, The Bard of Banefort said:

I’m coming around on the idea that Euron might team up with Cersei and crown himself as some kind of King in the West. The show may have completely made up their alliance, but I could also see it as a bastardized version of whatever George has in mind for Cersei. I could see her being taken captive by Aegon and acting as a POV inside of the Red Keep as well, but there are a few quibbles with that:

a) In this scenario, Robert Strong would all but certainly have to die. Would he really be removed from the story that fast?

b) Would Cersei really spend two books as a prisoner in King’s Landing? (I don’t have a link, but George apparently let slip that she survives TWOW). 

It’s also an additional complication that would explain why the book is taking so damn long. Cersei vs. the Tyrells —> Tyrells and Cersei vs. Aegon —> Aegon vs. Cersei and Euron —> Cersei and Euron vs. Asha and Theon —> Asha and Theon vs. Stannis —> Stannis vs. the Boltons —> Stannis vs. Aegon —> Aegon vs. Dany —> Dany vs. everyone. 

My head hurts. Just stay dead, Jon.

I agree. EuronXCersei is all but guaranteed to happen. 

But I don't think that will happen until after Cersei leaves King's Landing. Which means to say it won't happen until A Dream of Spring

I don't think Cersei will be stuck in King's Landing for too long. I can see there being a chapter or two where she is being held prisoner (and reunites with Sansa) by Aegon before engineering her own escape from the city. Myrcella will probably die during the escape similarly to how she died on the way out of Dorne in the show

[The Bard of Banefort]

On 5/13/2022 at 3:19 PM, BlackLightning said:

I agree. EuronXCersei is all but guaranteed to happen. 

But I don't think that will happen until after Cersei leaves King's Landing. Which means to say it won't happen until A Dream of Spring

I don't think Cersei will be stuck in King's Landing for too long. I can see there being a chapter or two where she is being held prisoner (and reunites with Sansa) by Aegon before engineering her own escape from the city. Myrcella will probably die during the escape similarly to how she died on the way out of Dorne in the show

Part of me wonders if Cersei would have ended up married to Euron if there was no Robert’s Rebellion. Tywin was willing to betroth her to Balon or Theon in ASOS, so it’s not out of the question. But I also wonder if Quellon knew better than to marry Euron off to anyone, given that Victarion was married three times but there’s no mention of his older brother even being betrothed. 

[The Bard of Banefort]

I always forget that Egg is 3/4 Dornish (his mother was a Dayne and his father was half-Martell). 

[BlackLightning]

20 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

Part of me wonders if Cersei would have ended up married to Euron if there was no Robert’s Rebellion. Tywin was willing to betroth her to Balon or Theon in ASOS, so it’s not out of the question. But I also wonder if Quellon knew better than to marry Euron off to anyone, given that Victarion was married three times but there’s no mention of his older brother even being betrothed. 

Tywin would not have abided that.

There was no way that his one and only daughter would be betrothed to a second son of an Ironborn lord. The Ironborn are already sketch so Tywin would be reluctant to even marry her to the Lord of Pyke. No way to Euron.

It'd be Balon or bust.

 

A good option for Cersei, however, would have been Elbert Arryn, Jon Arryn's pre-Robert's Rebellion heir of the Vale.

If it wasn't Balon, Edmure or Elbert, Cersei would be marrying below her station.

[EggBlue]

53 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

I always forget that Egg is 3/4 Dornish (his mother was a Dayne and his father was half-Martell). 

worry not . Aerys II forgets it too.