mormont Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Russia have agreed to open humanitarian corridors for civilians to evacuate - so long as they choose to go to Russia or Belarus. https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/top-wrap-1-ukrainians-trapped-besieged-city-fighting-blocks-evacuation-efforts-2022-03-07/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3CityApache Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Apparently Anonymous hacked Russian TV again to broadcast footage from Ukraine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 The Duke of Wellington statue in Glasgow that famously almost always has a traffic cone on its head has had it’s cone symbolically replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 hours ago, RhaenysBee said: Why does it matter what the west wants? It doesn't, that's just how this particular back and forth got started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhaenysBee Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Just now, DMC said: It doesn't, that's just how this particular back and forth got started. Ah, I see. Well, I do agree it doesn’t and shouldn’t, the only thing that matters is any attempt at and achievement of mediation or peace talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 hours ago, mormont said: Russia have agreed to open humanitarian corridors for civilians to evacuate - so long as they choose to go to Russia or Belarus. https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/top-wrap-1-ukrainians-trapped-besieged-city-fighting-blocks-evacuation-efforts-2022-03-07/ Free hostage delivery I guess... 7 minutes ago, RhaenysBee said: Ah, I see. Well, I do agree it doesn’t and shouldn’t, the only thing that matters is any attempt at and achievement of mediation or peace talk. A neutral country would show goodwill though. Holding peace talks in your own territory does not show interest in peace(which Belarus is de facto). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken one Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Luzifer's right hand said: Free hostage delivery I guess... More like great material for propaganda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, broken one said: More like great material for propaganda I suspect you give Russia too much benefit of doubt. They are on the rape and murder train already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken one Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Luzifer's right hand said: I suspect you have Russia too much benefit of doubt. They are on the rape and murder train already. No benefit of doubt when it comes to Russia, I am Polish. I think this would be evidence for Russian public opinion that the nazi terror in Ukraine is real and the Russian "rescue mission" justified. They have already enough hostages in the occupied parts of country, everyone is a hostage actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 hours ago, mormont said: Russia have agreed to open humanitarian corridors for civilians to evacuate - so long as they choose to go to Russia or Belarus. https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/top-wrap-1-ukrainians-trapped-besieged-city-fighting-blocks-evacuation-efforts-2022-03-07/ Damn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, 3CityApache said: Every Orthodox Jurisdiction should excommunicate Kirill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Ukraine claims to have destroyed 30(!) Russian attack helicopters on the ground in a surprise raid on the Kherson airfield. No confirmation yet, but apparently satellite images show that 40+ helicopters had been at the airfield last night. So the targets were there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toth Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Fez said: Ukraine claims to have destroyed 30(!) Russian attack helicopters on the ground in a surprise raid on the Kherson airfield. No confirmation yet, but apparently satellite images show that 40+ helicopters had been at the airfield last night. So the targets were there. I feel like "If this turns out to be true, this is amazing!" has become the running theme of this war for Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Toth said: I feel like "If this turns out to be true, this is amazing!" has become the running theme of this war for Ukraine. Yep. But most Ukrainian claims have been pretty well verified in the end. At least the official statements, the local press will hype up little things with vague tweets. Where the real propaganda comes in though is that they almost never mention their failures. Like the fact thay Ukraine has lost around 250 tanks and other vehicles so far. Way less than Russia has, but they were starting from way less too. You have to dig real deep to start finding mentions of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Fez said: Yep. But most Ukrainian claims have been pretty well verified in the end. At least the official statements, the local press will hype up little things with vague tweets. Where the real propaganda comes in though is that they almost never mention their failures. Like the fact thay Ukraine has lost around 250 tanks and other vehicles so far. Way less than Russia has, but they were starting from way less too. You have to dig real deep to start finding mentions of that. Personally I see no reason to undermine the propaganda of a country under attack. It is not like anything positive is gained by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padraig Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 3 hours ago, rotting sea cow said: So, either Putin is deposed in a internal and (hopefully) bloodless coup and negotiations can take place. Or the West need to back down and accept the division of Ukraine. Ukraine isn't resisting Russia for the West's benefit though. Sure, the West could decide to abandon Ukraine but I don't think Ukraine would meekly surrender then. Devastation would continue. Arguably more, since Russia would have the license to do whatever it wants, without being concerned about anyone interfering or Ukraine having the weapons to fight back. The other problem with the appeasement strategy is we don't know what Russia would do next. First it grabbed Crimea and the Donbass. Next most/all of the rest of Ukraine? Next Moldova or Georgia? After that? The objective has to be to stop all future wars in that region. That's not a simple thing. Partly because we don't know what Putin's ultimate goal is. Although, some fear they do. If all that means higher oil/wheat prices, i'm not sure how we can easily take another path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhaenysBee Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 56 minutes ago, Luzifer's right hand said: A neutral country would show goodwill though. Holding peace talks in your own territory does not show interest in peace(which Belarus is de facto). I’m not sure I understand what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, RhaenysBee said: I’m not sure I understand what you mean. Russia refused talks in a neutral country like Switzerland or Austria. By insisting that the talks are held in a puppet state they showed that they want to dictate terms imho. That is the behavior of a country that who wants a surrender not proper peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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