A True Kaniggit Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 1 hour ago, williamjm said: Since they've been struggling to mobilise the living maybe they have moved on to the dead? I know Halloween is approaching, but why even scare me that way? I’m not prepared for zombies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 post from today's update in Ukraine; because... well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) On 10/29/2022 at 11:23 AM, Derfel Cadarn said: Wagner deputy chief of staff apparently killed by Ukraine SF How sad … that it did not happen 12 months ago. Edited October 30, 2022 by SeanF Corvinus85 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) Zelensky labeling Putins withdrawal from the UN brokered grain export arrangement- Zelensky: Russia is "deliberately working to ensure starvation" with suspension from grain deal https://www.cnn.com/webview/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-30-22#h_fe8265aae4c1a8becf39f0f20a8410f6 Eta: Time to kick this rogue state out of the G20. Edited October 30, 2022 by DireWolfSpirit Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 Will Russia try to stop this convoy? Can Russia try to stop this convoy? Padraig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Fox Cauthon Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Will Russia try to stop this convoy? Can Russia try to stop this convoy? Interesting choice. If Russia destroys the grain shipment, then Ukraine can tell Africa that Russia is stopping their vital grain shipments. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Matrim Fox Cauthon said: Interesting choice. If Russia destroys the grain shipment, then Ukraine can tell Africa that Russia is stopping their vital grain shipments. If Russia destroys the grain shipment, then that's terrorism on the international stage, not "just" the local level Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Fox Cauthon Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 18 minutes ago, Which Tyler said: If Russia destroys the grain shipment, then that's terrorism on the international stage, not "just" the local level Maybe they'll blame the UK navy for this too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Matrim Fox Cauthon said: Maybe they'll blame the UK navy for this too? Then they'd be literally asking NATO to get more directly involved in kicking their arses (which may still be what they want, even though I don't buy it) Edited October 31, 2022 by Which Tyler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 On the other hand, if the shipment goes ahead and Russia does nothing then Putin is admitting that Russia is powerless to stop the shipments. Best case scenario, Russia lets it happen and then unconvincingly tries to pass it off as Russian generosity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 There's your answer I guess. Russia does not care about your laws. JGP, Which Tyler, The hairy bear and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Interestingly, this boat was coming out of an area that was not covered in the grain deal (Ochakiv, in Mykolaiv Oblast) and has been under regular fire for the duration of the conflict. The grain deal only covers Odesa. Obviously it's still indefensible, especially when that's very clearly a civilian vessel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Werthead said: Interestingly, this boat was coming out of an area that was not covered in the grain deal (Ochakiv, in Mykolaiv Oblast) and has been under regular fire for the duration of the conflict. The grain deal only covers Odesa. Obviously it's still indefensible, especially when that's very clearly a civilian vessel. It seems the convoy is making good progress toward regular shipping lanes: https://twitter.com/chuckpfarrer/status/1587108643585015814?s=46&t=Tu4G-LrBEU93-KgGpGhB2g Which Tyler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) Some reports that Erdogan might have been on the phone to Putin and is "unhappy" about him unilaterally pulling the plug on the grain deal without consulting him. Erdogan's pull with Putin is significant (not infinite, but still), and Putin needs him on-side to not enflame the situation in Syria and Armenia-Azerbaijan to Russia's detriment, so he has some weight. Maybe the deal gets reinstated or the convoy is allowed to go unmolested. I suspect Putin will want some sort of statement showing Russia in a positive light rather than it looking like Russia has been cowed into not attacking the convoy by simple PR. Edited October 31, 2022 by Werthead Wade1865, Arakasi and Ser Scot A Ellison 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) As far as I can tell, the convoy has left the Black Sea. Clearly Putin realised that not even he could swing the optics of blowing up a cargo ship bound for Ethiopia filled with grain which is urgently needed to avoid massive food shortages, not if he wants to retain support (or friendly neutrality) from African nations. Russia seemed to change its messaging overnight, saying it had merely paused its participation in the grain scheme, not cancelled it altogether. Edited November 1, 2022 by Werthead Matrim Fox Cauthon, Which Tyler and Arakasi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorn Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 I think it was the prospect of firing at Turkish (NATO) warships escorting the convoy that gave him pause, not PR. I'm pretty sure Turkey could defeat Russia by itself at this point, without even asking the rest of NATO for help. Secretary of Eumenes, Arakasi, Wade1865 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Fox Cauthon Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Ukraine called Russia's bluff and now Turkey reports that Russia is back in the grain shipment deal. Which Tyler and Ser Scot A Ellison 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Looks like someone walked into a Russian helicopter repair facility in Pskov and blew up three Ka-52 helicopters. That's well inside Russian borders (actually closer to Estonia than anywhere else). JGP, Secretary of Eumenes, Gorn and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorn Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 I wonder if it was an Ukrainian intelligence operation, or something Russian internal resistance movement did on its own? In any case, another major embarrassment for FSB and Russia's police and security services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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