Calibandar Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/19/2024 at 11:59 AM, ASOIAFrelatedusername said: If you want to have a laugh https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2024/01/18/117474-spy-report-the-rings-of-power-season-2-to-expand-on-sauron-in-huge-new-ways/ https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2024/01/18/117354-spy-report-suggests-an-unhinged-season-2-of-the-rings-of-power/ They could have just not included that scene, especially since it doesn't make any sense. Or they could have had Galadriel finding Finrod's grave. Weirdly, some of this stuff doesnt sound so unlikely. Its just impossible to know if some dude made all of this up or its real intel. I remember we got massive spoilers on TORN for season 1 which seemed quite absurd and of which a large part was eventually correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 They should focus on the Witch King of Angmar and the Nazgul to save this failure, Celebrimbor looks so miserable , RoP producers don't know that Elves always look young and majestic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurktan Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/25/2024 at 11:32 AM, KingAerys_II said: They should focus on the Witch King of Angmar and the Nazgul to save this failure, Celebrimbor looks so miserable , RoP producers don't know that Elves always look young and majestic no they don't. Case in point Cirdan. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 6 minutes ago, Slurktan said: no they don't. Case in point Cirdan. Elrond has age on him. PJ didn’t help portraying all elves as 22 with perfectly conditioned long hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baxus Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 That's part of the appeal - these very young looking people having the wisdom of ages just add to their otherworldlyness (in lack of better term). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 21 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Elrond has age on him. PJ didn’t help portraying all elves as 22 with perfectly conditioned long hair. Hugo Weaving clearly doesn't look young in the movies. Cate Blanchett doesn't look that young either. And he did hire an older actor for Círdan. Elves can appear to have aged if they experience a lot of sorrow and troubles. I do think Celebrimbor looks too old in RoP, but that's peanuts compared to the rest of the changes they made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Elrond is half elf, anyway elves in Lotr were top model material : Cate Blanchett, Liv Tyler, Orlando Bloom. It's very easy to do a masterpiece from Tolkien works, RoP is the product of activists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argonath Diver Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Now there's a money-maker! A MAGA-infused LOTR production! Denethor is a righteous, bad-ass leader of Men and his two brave and stalwart sons drain the Middle Earth swamp of the pansy, feminine elves, pathetic thieving halflings and hobbits, and smarmy, job-stealing dwarves. Total babes like Arwen and Eowyn know when to step back and support their men, and Saruman raises a sexy tower of willing sex-slave (and super hot) orc chicks. Righteous Exterminator Gandalf uses the eagles to magick-bomb the absolute shit out of Mordor, land of hippies, homos and Hollywood hacks led by the vile Obamauron and his contemptuous pinko ring-wraiths. The final shot is the unveiling of the new flag of Minas Tirith, which is just the American flag with Anduril emblazoned over the stars-and-stripes, triumphantly raised over a crowd of adoring all-white men and various nubile, supplicant hotties. Ser Scot A Ellison, Rippounet and JGP 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 57 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: Elrond is half elf, anyway elves in Lotr were top model material : Cate Blanchett, Liv Tyler, Orlando Bloom. It's very easy to do a masterpiece from Tolkien works, RoP is the product of activists Are you going to complain about dark skinned Elves and Dwarves too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 It's very hard to do better than LOTR trilogy, but it's very easy to do better than RoP producers, even a videogame about the rings of power are better than the tv series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurktan Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 4 hours ago, KingAerys_II said: It's very hard to do better than LOTR trilogy, but it's very easy to do better than RoP producers, even a videogame about the rings of power are better than the tv series No, that is Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War. I don't like Rings of Power but it is better than those 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, Slurktan said: No, that is Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War. I don't like Rings of Power but it is better than those 2. Yeah, hot Shelob is on another level of stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASOIAFrelatedusername Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 I absolutely hate Shadow of Wardor, but I have to say that I respect it more than Amazon's product. It has a certain ambition to tell this grim tale about the destructive nature of revenge and the corrupting desire for domination full of moral ambiguity. It is just that it does it in a thoroughly un-Tolkienian manner. Also the writing, especially with the main character, isn't strong enough enough. If the writing were improved and if were allowed to be an original setting, I think it would be great. ROP on the other hand lacks that ambition. The way it mangles Tolkien is just so lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said: ROP on the other hand lacks that ambition. The way it mangles Tolkien is just so lazy. The time compression makes no sense as does claiming Mitiril is somehow integral in preventing Elves who remain in Middle Earth from “fading”. As though social decline is a physical disease… Edited January 28 by Ser Scot A Ellison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baxus Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 16 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Are you going to complain about dark skinned Elves and Dwarves too? Dark skinned Elves and Dwarves were put in for one reason and one reason only - to have as many people as possible talk about that and distract them from the absolute rubbish of the show they made. Rippounet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 54 minutes ago, baxus said: Dark skinned Elves and Dwarves were put in for one reason and one reason only - to have as many people as possible talk about that and distract them from the absolute rubbish of the show they made. There is plenty to complain about with RoP. Those who zero in on skin tone… are revealing themselves to have issues. IlyaP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baxus Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 9 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: There is plenty to complain about with RoP. Those who zero in on skin tone… are revealing themselves to have issues. This is exactly the narrative that Amazon is hoping for. Sure, it wouldn't be on the top of the list of things they did wrong, but I would put it (and dare say it should be) on the list. There are more or less detailed descriptions of mythical creatures and having dark skinned Elves (I don't remember Dwarves skin tone being specified) is just as off as putting a horn on the donkey and calling it a unicorn. It just doesn't fit the description. The hairy bear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 22 hours ago, baxus said: This is exactly the narrative that Amazon is hoping for. Sure, it wouldn't be on the top of the list of things they did wrong, but I would put it (and dare say it should be) on the list. There are more or less detailed descriptions of mythical creatures and having dark skinned Elves (I don't remember Dwarves skin tone being specified) is just as off as putting a horn on the donkey and calling it a unicorn. It just doesn't fit the description. Skin tone isn’t an issue. Story problems, are. This particular complaint reminds me of those angry that Liet-Keynes is female in the 2021 adaptation of Dune. The character’s gender/sex doesn’t change the character’s story a whit and as such is no big deal to me. The same is true for skin tone in RoP. Allowing for dark skinned elves, dwarves, and hobbits changes the characters not at all. The problematic changes are the time compression and the other bizarre crap. If all the actors are light skinned the problems change… not a whit. Edited January 29 by Ser Scot A Ellison Corvinus85, Consigliere, SpaceChampion and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAerys_II Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Tolkien fandom wants to see a Lotr tv series , not American politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 16 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said: Tolkien fandom wants to see a Lotr tv series , not American politics Are the skin tones of the actors problematic for you? If so… why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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