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On 6/28/2023 at 10:05 PM, Ran said:

That's why I signed up and provided the source, so others did not have to!

I see and recognize my error which was gross and even sounds counterintuitive.

@Ran

I realize I may have sounded sarcastic here without elaboration.

My central point was that focusing on the individual moral virtue of the victims in this circumstance is improper it can easily turn into victim blaming and forsaking responsibility for the company.

But I’ve tried to indirectly sanitize the victims.

 

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Oceangate innocent billionaire tried to get his finance officer to pilot the submersible, it has recently been reported.  She said, "My background is accountanting."

https://www.insider.com/oceangate-stockton-rush-finance-director-quit-submersible-pilot-fired-2023-7

https://www.newyorker.com/news/a-reporter-at-large/the-titan-submersible-was-an-accident-waiting-to-happen

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/03/us/titan-sub-oceangate-employee-safety-concerns/index.html

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22 minutes ago, Madame deVenoge said:

I’m still going to stick my neck out right here and proclaim that anyone celebrating the death of others, for whatever reason, 

My girlfriend and I at the time did celebrate when bin Laden died. There's a lot of bad people who it's fine to enjoy dying. The forum would have been dancing on Putin's grave if he had been overthrown recently. 

I also can't help but laugh when some idiot takes a selfie on the edge of a cliff and falls off. 

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If someone celebrates the death of an innocent person, whether they are a refugee on a fishing boat or an “explorer” to the deep sea - that’s shitty fucking behavior.  

I do think it's wrong to celebrate the kid dying. Everything I've seen says he didn't really want to go. But come on, for the adults can't you see the funny side? Basically everyone said it was a bad idea and they did it anyways. Hubris is humorous when it fails spectacularly. 

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7 minutes ago, Madame deVenoge said:

I’m going to agree to disagree, here, on the point that death should not be celebrated. YMMV.

So you wouldn't find the humor in reading the paper tomorrow to learn O.J. Simpson was stabbed to death by his jealous ex-lover? 

Innocent people dying is awful. Horrible people, there's a debate to be had. Not everyone deserves it, but many people don't deserve our pity. 

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I am with ty on this one (unlike his visit to Neverland). Some deaths are a somewhat joyous occasion. I was not exactly sad when Mateschitz kicked the bucket, I won't be sad when Trump follows suit. And I did not shed a single tear for Roger Ailes or Rush Limbaugh. I will raise a glass when Alex Jones suffers his overdue fatal heart attack. 

As for the submersible vics. The French guy seemed to be a sound person by all accounts. I don't have an axe to grind with the others, they are not on level of evil of the folks mentioned above. Stockton Rush strikes me as the stereotypical rich rules are for others libertarian kinda guy. He died by a machination of his own design (quite literally). 

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What people are doing is condemned obscenely over the top wealthy idiots who always insist they are the smartest people ever no matter what, taking people to their deaths, when he'd been warned and warned and told and told what he was doing wasn't at all safe, including the materials he chose to use to make his death trap. 

He's a murderer, not an innocent victim who accidentally happens to be obscenely wealthy, who wouldn't have been able to murder if not so obscenely wealthy.

Not the same as celebrating the deaths of the innocent people.

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17 minutes ago, Zorral said:

He's a murderer, not an innocent victim who accidentally happens to be obscenely wealthy, who wouldn't have been able to murder if not so obscenely wealthy.

Murderer seems a bit much. Rush was reckless and I believe if he didn't explain every potential problem that could happen, including how the sub was flawed, then the contracts the others signed should all be voided so their families can sue. 

26 minutes ago, Madame deVenoge said:

There’s a difference between pity and not celebrating. 

Idk, there's a number of world leaders who if I learned died tomorrow I'd celebrate. As a Jew who dreams of a much better Israel, I will happily celebrate Netanyahu's death. Fuck that asshole. 

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18 minutes ago, Conflicting Thought said:

I will dance and celebrate in the streets every year on the day that pinochet and his wife died with no problem what so ever

Did they die on the same day? Or do you dance twice? Just curious. 

I confess I don't know much about Madame Pinochet (who I assumed had a lower profile than Imelda Marcos or Eva Peron).

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1 hour ago, Gaston de Foix said:

Did they die on the same day? Or do you dance twice? Just curious. 

I confess I don't know much about Madame Pinochet (who I assumed had a lower profile than Imelda Marcos or Eva Peron).

i will dance twice, they didnt die the same day. it became a meme that Lucia would never die, she lived a long ass time and when she finally did die allot of people, myself included went out to the streets to celebrate that finally she was dead

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2 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Murderer seems a bit much. Rush was reckless and I believe if he didn't explain every potential problem that could happen, including how the sub was flawed, then the contracts the others signed should all be voided so their families can sue. 

Idk, there's a number of world leaders who if I learned died tomorrow I'd celebrate. As a Jew who dreams of a much better Israel, I will happily celebrate Netanyahu's death. Fuck that asshole. 

Deliberately using substandard materials is murder.

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1 hour ago, Madame deVenoge said:

I mean, we are all different, here, and what I say is tasteless, others might enjoy. Maybe even for good and personal reasons. 

I’ve never held that level of personal animosity against anyone I’ve ever known and has wronged me, including but not limited to: my parents, my ex husbands, Cobb County police, Canadian border guards, and an ex boyfriend or two. 

Again, if you personally know someone and want to revel….that’s on you.

sure, i have no problem celebrating when horrible humans die, specially when they are responsible for so much suffering and didnt even pay for what they did, at least i will get joy that they arent alive anymore, i will take what i can get

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1 hour ago, Madame deVenoge said:

I’ve never held that level of personal animosity against anyone I’ve ever known and has wronged me, including but not limited to: my parents, my ex husbands, Cobb County police, Canadian border guards, and an ex boyfriend or two.

i mean, good for you? as long as it doesnt come from a place of moral superiority, its all good

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9 minutes ago, Zorral said:

Deliberately using substandard materials is murder.

More likely manslaughter and I doubt even that would stick assuming he didn't go down with them. The negligence is what could void out on the contracts. But murder? No, that wouldn't ever hold up.

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