SeanF Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, ThinkerX said: Looks like Ukraine aid might sneak through Congress after all - though it might cost the current speaker his job: House Republicans will pass Ukraine aid after backing down on border demand (msn.com) MTG is coming across as a Russian stooge. MTG is a revolting woman. This love affair with Putin that exists on parts of the Right is just bizarre. Putin is in no sense a conservative, and he is very much a threat to US (and Western) interests. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 ‘In no sense a conservative’? I reject that. He’s not an economic conservative, but Putin is unquestionably a social, political, cultural, national and religious conservative. There are more senses in which he is a conservative than not. Kalbear, wiedzma, Matrim Fox Cauthon and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 34 minutes ago, mormont said: ‘In no sense a conservative’? I reject that. He’s not an economic conservative, but Putin is unquestionably a social, political, cultural, national and religious conservative. There are more senses in which he is a conservative than not. I view him as more a fascist, running a mafia State. The completely arbitrary system of government, the absence of any real private property rights, or any limits to what the ruler and his henchmen can do to you, are things that mainstream conservatives would dislike (although, obviously, a lot of people who call themselves conservatives in the US are on board with these things). Edited March 15 by SeanF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, SeanF said: I view him as more a fascist, running a mafia State. The completely arbitrary system of government, the absence of any real private property rights, or any limits to what the ruler and his henchmen can do to you, are things that mainstream conservatives would dislike (although, obviously, a lot of people who call themselves conservatives in the US are on board with these things). Far too many US “Conservatives” have been embracing fascism since, at least, 2020. Edited March 15 by Ser Scot A Ellison SeanF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, SeanF said: MTG is a revolting woman. This love affair with Putin that exists on parts of the Right is just bizarre. Putin is in no sense a conservative, and he is very much a threat to US (and Western) interests. Bizarre or not. I can tell you what those right wingers find so appealing about him. It's pretty much the same they like about Orban. It's those silly culture wars conservatives are waging. Putin is their most anti-woke warrior avatar. Anti-LGBTQ, Christian state with a (primarily) white population (at least where it counts). Anything else takes a backseat. I wish that culture war nonsense was safely contained in the US, but they are actively exporting that nonsense. SeanF, Prince of the North and Bironic 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 17 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: Bizarre or not. I can tell you what those right wingers find so appealing about him. It's pretty much the same they like about Orban. It's those silly culture wars conservatives are waging. Putin is their most anti-woke warrior avatar. Anti-LGBTQ, Christian state with a (primarily) white population (at least where it counts). Anything else takes a backseat. I wish that culture war nonsense was safely contained in the US, but they are actively exporting that nonsense. Their version of Christianity at least. The one that ignores or pretends that Christ’s sermon on the mount, sermon on the plain, directions to care for the stranger, and “the least of thee, don’t exist. Edited March 15 by Ser Scot A Ellison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 I just explained what those conservatives like about Putin and Orban. So ofc it's their version of Christianity. That the orange buffoon is probably pretty indifferent to most culture war items (except for white supremacy, which he seems to firmly believe in) is one of those ironies. Imperfect vessel, I guess. Bironic and Ser Scot A Ellison 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 9 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: I just explained what those conservatives like about Putin and Orban. So ofc it's their version of Christianity. That the orange buffoon is probably pretty indifferent to most culture war items (except for white supremacy, which he seems to firmly believe in) is one of those ironies. Imperfect vessel, I guess. Yeah… I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Their version of Christianity at least. The one that ignores or pretends that Christ’s sermon on the mount, sermon on the plain, directions to care for the stranger, and “the least of thee, don’t exist. Patriarch Kyril is one of the world's most unChristian Christians, as indeed are people like MTG and her allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 24 minutes ago, SeanF said: Patriarch Kyril is one of the world's most unChristian Christians, as indeed are people like MTG and her allies. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bironic Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Not trying to derail the topic, but to say XY isn’t Christian(insert here Religion of your choosing) is not honest imho. Cyril and others see themselves as christians, they might not be your version of Christians but they’re Christian nonetheless, Christianity is a diverse religion… The Czechs have apparently „discovered“ other things that could be bought and brought to Ukraine such as missiles (mostly for anti air) and drones. Kalbear and wiedzma 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 minutes ago, Bironic said: Not trying to derail the topic, but to say XY isn’t Christian(insert here Religion of your choosing) is not honest imho. Cyril and others see themselves as christians, they might not be your version of Christians but they’re Christian nonetheless, Christianity is a diverse religion… Agreed. That’s why I said their “version” of Christianity. Not trying to play no true Scotsman. I’m just pointing out what I think they are missing from the teachings of Christ. Wilbur, Bironic and SeanF 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Agreed. That’s why I said their “version” of Christianity. Not trying to play no true Scotsman. I’m just pointing out what I think they are missing from the teachings of Christ. Nor am I. They're best described as bad Christians. Some of the wickedest people in the world can be found in the Churches. Bironic, Prince of the North and Ser Scot A Ellison 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, SeanF said: Nor am I. They're best described as bad Christians. Some of the wickedest people in the world can be found in the Churches. Nope, they're just Christians. If you always dismiss the Christians who do bad as no true Christians you'll never fix the problems y'all face. SeanF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) Ukraine hit the Pervyy Zavod refinery outside Kaluga, setting part of the complex ablaze. The Russian Volunteer Corps has engaged Chechen forces in Kozinka, Belgorod (on Russian soil). Apparently they took them by surprise and killed 20 Chechens. RVC forces have apparently fired multi-rocket batteries at Russian forces around Grayvoron and Belgorod, although there have been some reports of civilian casualties, which they have to keep a lid on. Meanwhile, in Russia: Apparently this has happened at several polling stations. ETA: Russian glide bombs are now hitting Russian forces in Russia. Looks like an attempt to unseat the rebels from Kozinka. Edited March 15 by Werthead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kalbear said: Nope, they're just Christians. If you always dismiss the Christians who do bad as no true Christians you'll never fix the problems y'all face. Oh, they’re part of my faith. They just misunderstand it terribly, and/or else they make use of it as a flag of convenience. I’ll rephrase it slightly differently. Some of the wickedest people in the world are some of my co-religionists. Edited March 15 by SeanF Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 The RVC are fanatical fascists apparently, wanting to depose Putin to create a smaller Russia as a white ethnostate. I can't cheer them on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 34 minutes ago, SpaceChampion said: The RVC are fanatical fascists apparently, wanting to depose Putin to create a smaller Russia as a white ethnostate. I can't cheer them on. I don't think anyone is cheering them on to fulfil their dubious objectives, just to cause Putin a bad headache and show that some Russians are willing to fight him. Even if not in the service of the angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzin Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Patriarch Kyril is pretty inline with most Christian leaders present and historical in supporting his country while at war. And his other practices share more with the common understanding of Christianity, on a historical, traditional and scriptural basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 2 hours ago, Darzin said: Patriarch Kyril is pretty inline with most Christian leaders present and historical in supporting his country while at war. And his other practices share more with the common understanding of Christianity, on a historical, traditional and scriptural basis. It's generally accepted that he was an officer in the KGB. His identification with the State goes a long way beyond simply supporting it at war. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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