Daredevil series 2: spoiler thread

[Mars447]

23 minutes ago, Let's Get Kraken said:

In general I'm not a fan of any TV show where every recurring female character winds up throwing themselves at the male lead. Not that her character is "throwing herself" at Matt, but you get what I mean. He had a thing with whatshername last season (I forget her civilian name, in my head I keep calling her the Night Nurse), now it's Karen, Elektra is on the way if the trailers were any indication.

Speaking of which Claire is awesome in this season, although she really should be putting up her hair when working with patients.

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

1 hour ago, Let's Get Kraken said:

Not that I necessarily agree with his methods, but I always wonder why even in the comics everyone always considers The Punisher "insane." In a world where villains break out of prison and kill new people every week, I'm surprised more heroes don't just start killing. I mean even in the MCU, what makes what he's doing so different than what Iron Man did in his first movie?

 

Kind of depends on the depiction. There was a version of The Punisher in the comics who was gunning down jaywalkers at one point. That guy was fucking insane.

[Corvinus85]

2 episodes in so far. Pretty good, really fast paced. I would watch more if I didn't have a bleeding headache right now ('cause of too much computer use).

The only part I didn't quite like was the Punisher's attack in the hospital. Couldn't he have just gone in with a better concealed weapon like a handgun? But I suppose it served to give credence to the people's fear that sooner or later innocents would get killed.

[Mark Antony]

5 hours ago, briantw said:

Damn that fight at the end of the third episode was awesome.

Just finished that episode and yeah that was cool. The chain attached to his hand was badass. The whole sequence on the rooftop was really good. 

[Winterfell is Burning]

4 hours ago, Let's Get Kraken said:

I'm on episode 5. John Bernthal was born to play The Punisher.

Not that I necessarily agree with his methods, but I always wonder why even in the comics everyone always considers The Punisher "insane." In a world where villains break out of prison and kill new people every week, I'm surprised more heroes don't just start killing. I mean even in the MCU, what makes what he's doing so different than what Iron Man did in his first movie?

In the MCU, makes sense, for the reasons briantw presented.

In the comics, it makes less sense, specially considering all the heroes that complain about him have no problem with Wolverine, which just makes them all look hypocritical (well, except for the X-men, who just don't care about him at all and are more consistent in that regard).

[Nictarion]

9 hours ago, briantw said:

Damn that fight at the end of the third episode was awesome.

Just watched it. It was insane!

Jon Bernthal crushing as the Punisher so far too. Really enjoying it. 

[HexMachina]

12 hours ago, briantw said:

Yeah, unless you've somehow not read anything about the season and missed the trailer, it's not exactly a secret that the first episode massacre is the Punisher's work.

Like me  

11 hours ago, polishgenius said:

After three episodes, I want to note something that's a little bit overshadowed by the flash of the conflict between Punisher and DD, but which is worth talking about: Karen and Foggy are awesome. Both are, in their non-superhero ways, being given the chance to be just as badass and ballsy as Matt. If not moreso.

Two episodes in and I agree on Foggy and Karen. What I particularly liked was that Karen is still wracked with guilt after killing whatshisface last season. Or at least that's how i interpreted the bit in episode two where she questioned if the Punisher was coming to punish her.

Definitely liking this better than Season 1 so far. Maybe it's just me, but I'm also finding it a lot darker than last season too.

 

eta; also agree with maybe going a bit too over the top with the criminals the Punisher takes out. Especially the child porn guy.

[The Wolves]

11 hours ago, briantw said:

Damn that fight at the end of the third episode was awesome.

It was I loved this episode. 

And I laughed how in the beginning when Foggy walked into the hospital there were criminals everywhere and the background noise was awesome. 

[Mladen]

11 hours ago, briantw said:

Damn that fight at the end of the third episode was awesome.

That was beyond the cool. I always found the hallway S01E02 to be cool, but this one, this was like a longer, bloodier version of it. The angles, the choreography, everything was perfectly set. 

[red snow]

Episode 3

That was a marked improvement and more like what I'm used to. I like how they started the corridor fight as "oh, ANOTHER corridor fight" only for them to raise the bar once he hit the staircase.

[HexMachina]

I'm not sure I understand Daredevil's distinction between him and the Punisher. He says he is better because he doesn't kill...but a lot of the time it's only pure luck that results in someone not dying on him. Most glaring example I can think of is the Russian he put into a coma last season. Is this intentional/a plot point? Or am I missing something?

 

Loved episode 3, Foggy was awesome, and liked the Jessica Jones nod.

[Fiddler]

Almost done with the second season and I can't sing it's praises enough.  The fight scenes have been brilliant, but even more important, the non fight scenes have been good.  Casting has been brilliant (Punisher and Electra are great).

One thing that I do like is that the Netflix shows (this and Jessica Jones) deals with the origin's of their characters.  I love the way characters are introduced as full fleshed out characters first and we find out how they came about through the organic story telling.

Great show.

[Channel4s-JonSnow]

3 episodes in now and I'm really enjoying it, much in the same way I liked season 1. 

What Daredevil is good at is creating an intense fast paced atmosphere, coupled with some excellent fights and some comic book level thrills. I'm absolutely loved the scenes with him and Punisher up on the roof, both of them batting off against each other about who was right, how much use of force is necessary and how far should vigilantism go. It was a great back and forth, and really put some insight into some of the issues raised, issues that are relevant especially these days. I loved that Daredevil essentially is being tempted to kill every time he fights someone, but has to pull back. 

I also loved the last shot, I'm guessing Punisher got shot in the head and has lost part of his brain, the bit allows a bit of empathy!

Fight scene in ep 3 was maybe a little underwhelming compared to the corridor scene in season 1 for me, I don't know, maybe I was expecting a bit much after reading about it here. Part of the problem might have been the camera, which moved in a very much video game way, which took me out of the realism. Maybe it was the repetitive nature of it, and the fact that the grunts just came at him aimlessly, he bats them off and then moves on. It felt too much like a video game. Not saying I didn't love it, I did, but the one in the first season had that grit about it that I loved. I kind of have the same issues with fights in the Raid movies, something about them feels too artificial to really draw me in.

Either way, the show is still great. It still isn't great at the things its never been great at, I don't think any of the potential romances and side characters are all that mindblowing, and as a procedural is not exceptional either. But if you watch it in the vein of being a comic book movie, a bit like Dark Knight, then it works beautifully.

[Kindly Old Man]

Finished.  A few thoughts:

- Bernthal  was amazing as the Punisher. His conversation with Daredevil on the roof was one of the highlights of the season. I'd definitely watch a Punisher series. 

- Every second Fisk was on screen was awesome. Gives me a lot of hope for this as a long running series.

- I did not give a fuck about the Black Sky plotline. Maybe this is more fleshed out in the comics but Punisher felt much more real as an antagonist, resurrected Nobu vs Electra and Daredevil was laughable. Nobu ominously opening his eyes and getting immediately killed was funny though.

- This series has great action, second only to Banshee imo.

- Stick! Dude must have the world's veiniest, wrinkliest cock. I'm just saying.

The violence in this season was out of control. The scene with Stick having reeds shoved under his fingernails actually made me squirm, and I'm not particularly squeamish. 

- Overall a great season. Started better than it finished. I wish they'd tie the movies in or separate them completely.

[briantw]

7 minutes ago, Kindly Old Man said:

- I did not give a fuck about the Black Sky plotline. Maybe this is more fleshed out in the comics but Punisher felt much more real as an antagonist.

I think the main reason they brought in the Punisher this season was to act as a more realistic counter-balance the much more comic booky Hand and Black Sky stuff.

My main complaint, and I'll put this in spoilers for people who haven't finished the new season yet, is this...

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I didn't like that they "killed" off Elektra this season.  I know that we all know she's not dead for real and will absolutely be coming back, but Matt doesn't know that, and I think this will cheapen her eventual iconic death against Bullseye, assuming they go that route.  That's one of my favorite death scenes in comics, and it will mean so much less if it's the second time she dies.  Then again, maybe they'll just skip Bullseye killing Elektra and have him kill Karen or something.  Still, it's disappointing that they unnecessarily wasted that death scene here, especially since we knew it wasn't permanent.  They should have waited until next year, let everyone forget that the Hand could bring people back to life, and then killed her off.

 

[GallowKnight]

3 hours ago, briantw said:

 

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I didn't like that they "killed" off Elektra this season.  I know that we all know she's not dead for real and will absolutely be coming back, but Matt doesn't know that, and I think this will cheapen her eventual iconic death against Bullseye, assuming they go that route.  That's one of my favorite death scenes in comics, and it will mean so much less if it's the second time she dies.  Then again, maybe they'll just skip Bullseye killing Elektra and have him kill Karen or something.  Still, it's disappointing that they unnecessarily wasted that death scene here, especially since we knew it wasn't permanent.  They should have waited until next year, let everyone forget that the Hand could bring people back to life, and then killed her off.

 

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Even if they bring in Bullseye, he's definitely not killing Elektra again. And it's not like him killing her actually stuck in the comics.

Overall I really liked it. It was better than season 1 of Daredevil and better than Jessica Jones. However, once again they proved that the plot could do with some tightening up. 13 episodes is probably too many and I think limiting it to 10 episodes per season would do the format a lot of good.

The Punisher was really good and Jon Bernthal was great. I think he managed to capture Frank and his nuances in a very good was and that ultimately he was a very good choice for the role. The prison fight in particular was brutal and great. However the whole Blacksmith storyline really got drawn out too much and ended up being really disappointing and predictable, the big reveal seemed kinda obvious.

Elektra was also good, even if she wasn't quite as good as Punisher.  But the Hand story became kinda dull at times. And I never really got what the significance was of the big hole, the sarcophagus and all the blood? I liked having Nobu back though, even if the final fight was quite crappy. In fact the whole final episode was underwhelming.

I liked Karen a lot more this season , even if she ended up a bit of a mixed bag. I liked her investigations and her continued quest to see redemptive value in bad people. But ate the same time I didn't care much for her romance with Matt or the fact that she continuously kept getting herself into violent situations and becoming a damsel in distress.

Lastly, I really liked every scene with Melvin. Melvin's great and I'm a little bit disappointed that we never got to see Gladiator.

[Winterfell is Burning]

I'm in #6 so far and I'm really enjoying it. Incredibly spot-on casting for Elektra, and like others mentioned, her chemistry with Matt far outshines the one he has with Karen.

[Mladen]

2 minutes ago, Winterfell is Burning said:

I'm in #6 so far and I'm really enjoying it. Incredibly spot-on casting for Elektra, and like others mentioned, her chemistry with Matt far outshines the one he has with Karen.

I think it is more of forbidden and dark aspect of their relationship that is sexy. That is why it is so hot. Plus, a thing with Matt is that we don't know who is he supposed to be with - Karen, Claire etc.

OK, after 5 episodes...

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One has to love that Catholic father. He is great. And the way Punisher was beaten was excellent alongside with Elektra intro. Not biggest fan of flashbacks, but it looked nice. For a split of second I wondered how they made him look so younger, and then idiot of me realized that they have had him shaved

 

[HexMachina]

I'm probably in a minority here but I actually quite like Karen-Matt relationship/attraction...

[Corvinus85]

7 episodes in. I love this show.

I like that Matt has tried really hard to do his vigilante thing on his own. Even though Foggy knows, he hasn't joined Matt to be part of a super secret crime fighting team, unlike other TV superheroes I know. I hope this trend continues.