US elections - may the polls be ever in your favor

[A Horse Named Stranger]

 

Just now, Ormond said:

Pew Research (which I believe defines "Evangelicals" by asking people what exact religious denomination they identify with and then placing those who belong to the more theologically conservative Protestant denominations as "Evangelicals") says that 21% of adult Evangelicals have a college degree:

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/educational-distribution/

Ok, but I was more interest in the other number.

Percentage of college grads who identify as Evangelicals.

Nevermind I see they have given the sample size. That number still looks unreasonable high to me. Is there a more detailed distinction between achieved degrees, of Bachelor and Masters degree?

[Ormond]

3 minutes ago, Notone said:

 

Ok, but I was more interest in the other number.

Percentage of college grads who identify as Evangelicals.

You find that on the linked page if you click "Switch display to religious group by educational group."

There you find that 21% of those with four year college degrees and 17% of those with postgraduate degrees identify with "Evangelical" Protestant denominations.

 

[Guy Kilmore]

26 minutes ago, Notone said:

 

Ok, but I was more interest in the other number.

Percentage of college grads who identify as Evangelicals.

Nevermind I see they have given the sample size. That number still looks unreasonable high to me. Is there a more detailed distinction between achieved degrees, of Bachelor and Masters degree?

It isn't that surprising.  The nature of faith, passion and the desire to better one self, coupled with social norms make for a strong drive for higher education.

[A Horse Named Stranger]

6 minutes ago, Ormond said:

You find that on the linked page if you click "Switch display to religious group by educational group."

There you find that 21% of those with four year college degrees and 17% of those with postgraduate degrees identify with "Evangelical" Protestant denominations.

 

That link is really interesting. Some graphs/tables more so than others. 

Sources for guidance on right or wrong. That one really creeps me out a bit. And not because of that high % of religion on the highschool grad or less. But because of that big chunk of common sensers.

The other one with belief in absolute right or wrong that is somewhat amusing.

 

Just now, Guy Kilmore said:

It isn't that surprising.  The nature of faith, passion and the desire to better one self, coupled with social norms make for a strong drive for higher education.

Maybe. I would argue that drive for self-actualization is more intrinsic. And with higher education the influence of/attachment to religion should decrease. 

Note that the percentage in the unaffiliated/non-religious subsample shows a higher percentage with college degrees than the Evangelical.

[Guy Kilmore]

Just now, Notone said:

Maybe. I would argue that drive for self-actualization is more intrinsic. And with higher education the influence of/attachment to religion should decrease. 

Note that the percentage in the unaffiliated/non-religious subsample shows a higher percentage with college degrees than the Evangelical.

I'm not saying that doesn't happen and I wasn't commenting on those trends, just the one trend.

[Ormond]

To get back to Trump, I found this article on how to tell if a Tweet is really from Trump himself both amusing and scary, as it really is another bit of evidence confirming how off the wall Trump himself is compared to even his campaign staff:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-trump-tweets-iphone-android-1470868218-htmlstory.html?utm_source=kw&kwp_0=200233&kwp_4=778687&kwp_1=391114

[DireWolfSpirit]

Trumps so damn weird even his own family wants to make sure its known his tweets are his own and not theirs.......

[Trebla]

The thing is, it's not just Trump that says unbelievable things. Katrina Pierson's gaffes have been well documented. Rudy Giuliani, mayor of New York City on 9/11, may have just taken the cake. 

[mormont]

The thing is this: even if we assume he misspoke about 9/11, he's still talking crap. There were at least two successful attacks ascribed to Islamic terrorism in the US in 2006.

[Trebla]

5 minutes ago, mormont said:

The thing is this: even if we assume he misspoke about 9/11, he's still talking crap. There were at least two successful attacks ascribed to Islamic terrorism in the US in 2006.

Yup and it's actually not the first time that he has conveniently forgotten 9/11. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rudy-giuliani-forgets-9-11-suggesting-president-obama-cues-bush-fighting-terror-article-1.195680

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Then Giuliani proclaimed, in words he would soon regret, "We had no domestic attacks under Bush. We've had one under Obama," referring to November's shootings at Fort Hood by a radical Army psychiatrist.

The assertion failed to account for 9/11, which happened eight months into Bush's first term and in many ways has defined Giuliani, then mayor, ever since.

.......

Later on CNN, Giuliani tried to pooh-pooh his foot-in-mouth moment.

"This is so silly," he told host Wolf Blitzer. "I did omit the words 'since Sept.11.' I apologize for that. I should have put it in. I do remember Sept. 11. In fact, Wolf, I remember it every single day."

 

 

[Tywin et al.]

Most Republicans hold this belief, hence all the "Bush kept us safe" BS. 

[Dr. Pepper]

Which Clinton was he talking about?  

Does anyone else think Katrina Pierson is trying to be the next Ann Culter?  It seems like she often purposely tries to say something as outrageous as possible in order to get another round of #KatrinaPiersonHistory going on Twitter.  

[Morpheus]

Are they even running a campaign anymore? Seems like they spent the past week churning out alt history fanfic.

[The Marquis de Leech]

Clinton +19 in Washington (state) and +30 in New York. I wonder if Hillary will become the first person since Lyndon Johnson, and only the fourth person (after Johnson, Calvin Coolidge, and Warren Harding) to win every county in New York.

[ummester]

So is it true that Clinton tried to socialise the American Medical Industry in the 90s (coz Bill gave her the post) and then gave up when she was brought out for a couple of hundred k?

Not that I have an an issue with socialising medicine (I actually believe in that). Just watching Michael Moore's sicko again and (I didn't even remember) but it seems Hillary has a history of accepting nepotism and donations as a way to make up her mind and further her career.

[The Anti-Targ]

3 hours ago, mormont said:

The thing is this: even if we assume he misspoke about 9/11, he's still talking crap. There were at least two successful attacks ascribed to Islamic terrorism in the US in 2006.

2 in the USA? The Wikipedia list of 2006 terrorist attacks only cites one foiled attempt in the USA. Though the list does say it is incomplete.

[mormont]

http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/fatal-shooting-at-seattle.html

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20071009052245/http://media.www.dailytarheel.com/media/storage/paper885/news/2006/03/06/University/Pit-Pandemonium-1655850.shtml

[The Marquis de Leech]

11 minutes ago, ummester said:

So is it true that Clinton tried to socialise the American Medical Industry in the 90s (coz Bill gave her the post) and then gave up when she was brought out for a couple of hundred k?

Not that I have an an issue with socialising medicine (I actually believe in that). Just watching Michael Moore's sicko again and (I didn't even remember) but it seems Hillary has a history of accepting nepotism and donations as a way to make up her mind and further her career.

"Hillarycare" was scuttled by conservative Democrats in Congress, and after 1994 became a dead letter. Nothing to do with Hillary being "bought out".

It's why Obama let Congress write the bill for his healthcare reform.

[ummester]

7 minutes ago, Roose Boltons Pet Leech said:

"Hillarycare" was scuttled by conservative Democrats in Congress, and after 1994 became a dead letter. Nothing to do with Hillary being "bought out".

It's why Obama let Congress write the bill for his healthcare reform.

The documentary Sicko shows that she (her party) got 800k from Heath care industry contributions in 2005-2006. That seems like being brought out to me? At the very least, it's sleeping with the enemy. Where is her pride and fortitude?

Of course, Michael Moore could be lying - that's why I asked. But then why has no-one sued him over it?

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

Just now, ummester said:

The documentary Sicko shows that she (her party) got 800k from Heath care industry contributions in 2005-2006. That seems like being brought out to me? At the very least, it's sleeping with the enemy. Where is her pride and fortitude?

The Health Care industry loves Obamacare. That doesn't make any sense.