Usotsuki Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Newark by-election set for June 5th which is rather earlier than I expected, I hope for Mr Crosby's sake that this doesn't come to be seen as a courageous decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinDonner Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 And 8 years for Clifford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 That seems quite lenient considering one of his victims was 15. In other news, Jeremy Clarkson is an alleged racist again. Generally I stick up for Clarkson on these things, cause I think he's just a bit careless, rather than a narrow minded bigot. But there has been a few of them now. It is pretty distasteful how the Mirror drums these things up out of nothing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinDonner Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Eeny meeny miny mo, when I learned that as a kid I thought the word was "nicker", ie. one who nicks stuff. It's quite horrible to grow up a bit and realise what you've been blithely singing without realising. And I have trouble believing that any non-racist over the age of 6 could say the actual n-word without feeling massively uncomfortable, it's just not the sort of thing you could do by accident unless it's already a word that you're using in other contexts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 It's a very silly thing for him to do on camera, but it's pretty clear he's not meaning to be racist (if you see the actual clip, he's mumbling through that part of the rhyme and it's just audible what would be there), and it seems he took steps to avoid it being broadcast. Quite why he didn't just go with a non-offensive version in the first place I'm not sure (it was always 'tiger' where I grew up).It's a bit strange that after openly and deliberately using words like 'wop' and 'slope' as jokes, not to mention all the other subjects, this is the one that forces him to offer a grovelling apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lummel Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 No, I'd say it was racist because of the mumbling - ie it is intended as a nod to a knowing audience who are being presumed to know what and importantly why he mumbles that part of the rhyme. It looks like an intent to be naughty and daring by bearding the terrible monster of political correctness at the same time. If as per his apology he wasn't a racist and genuinely hated the word he could have been out and proud with "Ip dip dog shit" as we did at school or some other rhyme - one would have expected him to have refused to use the rhyme at all if he really disliked the word. He surely is in a position to have control over the material he uses in his shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 The overlap with these two cases is illuminating. It's all about definitions.Clearly, Clarkson doesn't think he's a racist (and at least some of his colleagues don't think he is) because he's not, y'know, actively out organising KKK meetings and probably wouldn't sell up if an Asian family bought the house next door. He 'just' uses derogatory racial terms, on occasion. But it's OK, because he doesn't really mean it. It's just a joke. It's just the language he was brought up with. He has black friends. The PC brigade. Curry. And so on.In fact, Clarkson probably votes UKIP and you can be certain that a lot of UKIP voters sympathise or even identify with him. None of them think they're racists. They don't think Farage is racist: they don't think the UKIP posters are racist: hence, they're more or less immune to accusations of racism in the UKIP ranks. That's not racism, you see. So the UKIP vote holds up. Probably the only damaging thing that's happened so far is Farage's refusal to stand in the by-election, which suggests a lack of confidence - a far worse sin in political terms than racism, so long as it's 'not-proper-racism'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I doubt very much that Clarkson votes UKIP. He's too smart, and too cynical, for that. His persona is largely a marketing ploy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I was quite amused that the BBC felt they had to explain the 'slope' joke. "You see, it could mean a slope on the bridge but is also a racial slur against the asian man crossing the bridge..."Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 My FIL describes himself as not racist but midly intollerant. And yes if he can be bothered to vote it will be for UKIP and reads the Daily mail. Although the chance of him voting in the Euro's is slim at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I doubt very much that Clarkson votes UKIP. He's too smart, and too cynical, for that. His persona is largely a marketing ploy. I'm not so sure. I mean, I agree that the persona is a marketing ploy - but that does not prevent it being based on genuine personality traits and beliefs. The track record Clarkson has of making these little slips suggests that what he's doing is exaggerating his personality for the camera, rather than playing a role that doesn't really match his private self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I was quite amused that the BBC felt they had to explain the 'slope' joke. "You see, it could mean a slope on the bridge but is also a racial slur against the asian man crossing the bridge..."Really? I will admit to being one of the people who needed it explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Possibly. But I'm afraid that's not inconsistent with being a solid Conservative voter, or Labour either, if our epically unPC finance director is any example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Yeah I've never actually heard of it being used as a racial slur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Did Apocalypse Now get made in vain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesLikeNeedles Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Eric Pickles for PM 2015!!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 OK. Any particular reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talleyrand Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 OK. Any particular reason? For the shits and giggles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesLikeNeedles Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I like his fairly no nonsense attitude compared to most other members of his Party, which I'm bound to vote for anyway because voting Labour-not going to happen,ever.I won't lie, I'd also be curious to see how squashed the seat by the Dispatch Box got over the course of a Parliment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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