Season 4 Impressions

[Lady Fevre Dream]

The kissing scene is hilarious. The showrunners said she was shocked. She didn't look shocked. They both looked like, what the hell is going on here, I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing!

That scene was so weird they could have added Captain Barbosa saying "JUST KISS" LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvenEcIHw8E

Go for minute 2:07

[Lady Fevre Dream]

To be fair, GRRM also says silly things about his book characters sometimes. Imagine the reaction if D&D called Jaime, Sandor and Theon villains and expressed (supposed) surprise that people like them, or compared Littlefinger to Jay Gatsby! (The latter actually does make sense, there are similarities, but LF is like an evil version of Gatsby in a completely subverted version of the story; but since Gatsby is a sympathetically portrayed protagonist, while Daisy and Tom are very unsympathetic, callous people, people could take it in a very wrong way...)

I agree, GRRM does say silly things, sometimes understandable and sometimes not. With GRRM, people have been snagging quotes from him about the stories and characters since the first book. When it comes to D&D, I find their comments much less enjoyable as time goes on. Although, as mentioned previously with the Tywin neutral comment, it does now help me understand them better, along with the possible directions they may be going with their story. Also, with D&D, they purposefully record and broadcast many of their strange ideas for broadcast on HBO (Inside the Episode).

[Le Cygne]

That scene was so weird they could have added Captain Barbosa saying "JUST KISS" LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvenEcIHw8E

Go for minute 2:07

:lol: Perfect! I will be laughing at that for the rest of the day.

[Lady Fevre Dream]

:lol: Perfect! I will be laughing at that for the rest of the day.

I wish I could have found a quickie isolated clip of Barbossa yelling JUST KISS, but alas, I couldn't.

[Le Cygne]

I wish I could have found a quickie isolated clip of Barbossa yelling JUST KISS, but alas, I couldn't.

So we have that for them, plus the Imperial March for those less frisky moments. Brienne is the Terminator. Now we need something for Dirty Jaime (Does Porne). You Sexy Thing? He's got the beard back (sort of).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64EDjuzhyvY

[Lady Fevre Dream]

So we have that for them, plus the Imperial March for those less frisky moments. Brienne is the Terminator. Now we need something for Dirty Jaime (Does Porne). You Sexy Thing? He's got the beard back (sort of).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64EDjuzhyvY

LOL, I expect you to come up with a theme song for Jaime's beard alone. :P :wub:

[Karmarni]

As for Sansa, I like her book story. But I’m disappointed to not see much of it in the show. I come from a classic fiction background and so I have enjoyed her more traditional, feminine role in the novels. If the glimpse we have of her at the end of Season 4 means she becomes a ‘badass’ sexual manipulator, I will be disappointed. It will be a continuation of turning her character into a visually pleasing female who only responds to, and is controlled by, her male counterparts in the series. That she is unaware of this only highlights how different show Sansa is to book Sansa.

[Frey Pies]

I agree, GRRM does say silly things, sometimes understandable and sometimes not.

"Walter White is worse than anyone in Game of Thrones." :lol:

[Annara Snow]

"Walter White is worse than anyone in Game of Thrones." :lol:

Ha, yes, I forgot that one. GRRM sure loves his ridiculous exaggerations!

[sati]

Saying that Sansa isn't an interesting character isn't the same as "victim blaming", and I find it offensive that someone would accuse me of such when talking about something like this. She's a fictional character in a fictional universe that we are supposed to care about..but she's just not that interesting story-wise as some other characters who have the ability to go out and do something. She doesn't. She's trapped for 4 seasons. Her story doesn't develop like the stories of characters around her. It's no different than people complaining about Jon Snow's storyline because he doesn't get to do the interesting stuff other characters do. He's trapped, too, and some people find that boring. I like his character, but I can easily see why others would not. Same with Sansa.

It has nothing to do with my thinking "well, she should have gone something!" She clearly couldn't. She was clearly trapped and unable to do anything. But that doesn't mean I have to find her storyline interesting.

I actually agree with this. I just don't like her character and I never blamed her for what 'haters' seem to blame her for. But that is for book Sansa as TV Sansa is one of my least favorite characters, though here it's more the casting thing and the actress.

[sati]

The kissing scene is hilarious. The showrunners said she was shocked. She didn't look shocked. They both looked like, what the hell is going on here, I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing!

I'm still laughing at that scene. The look on LF's face was hilarious. It looked like he got to some mindblowing shocking twist revelation and was frozen and crapped his pants at the same time.

[Woman of War]

I do think that there's something to be said about the trend in some quarters for appreciation of characters being directly related to perception of their being "strong" or "bad ass" or what have you. Namely, it's a bad trend. You can like what you like, absolutely, but when people keep being attracted to affirmative figures and talk down more ambiguous ones, or see in a character of limited power or ability simply "weak" or "uninteresting", they encourage creators to produce homogeneous, "strong" characters. It reduces the discursive possibilities.

If I criticized posters for preferring Sandor or Jaime over Sam or Tyrion because of their "badassery", because Sam and Tyrion are of limited power and therefore less intriguing - and if I suggested this preference discourages creators to produce physically limited and not so stereotypically male martial characters - would you support me too?

Unfortunately there is a tendency to prefer male characters for their conventional male hotness and badassery. And yet posters are perfectly entitled to like Sandor and Jaime - like I do - not because but despite of their badassery without being accused of perpetuating male stereotypes of macho men or encouraging writers to write more male stereotypes.

And so I am perfectly entitled to be less interested in little girl Sansa while hoping very much for a more fascinating adult development of this fictional personnage, for the sake of the story as a whole.

Saying that Sansa isn't an interesting character isn't the same as "victim blaming", and I find it offensive that someone would accuse me of such when talking about something like this. She's a fictional character in a fictional universe that we are supposed to care about..but she's just not that interesting story-wise as some other characters who have the ability to go out and do something. .......

I agree. And if I cannot or could so far not relate to this character and her approach to her situation, then why should I bring myself to fake it out of "political correctness"?

[Annara Snow]

Whether people like characters for their "badassery" or "hotness" or for completely different reasons, is something that's hard to tell unless you actually hear reasons why people like them. One may as well assume that, say, someone likes Tyrion only because he's funny, or Sam because he killed an Other and because he's Jon's friend - which would probably not be true in many cases..

In Sansa's case, however, "not badass enough", "passive", "didn't do anything" (which isn't even right) etc. is what so many people give as a reason why they didn't like her or found her "annoying"... and we're talking about the time when she was a hostage...

So, speaking of Jaime... that would be like saying that you don't like Jaime because he is "passive" in ACOK and "doesn't do anything" (book, not the show)... of course he doesn't, he's imprisoned and sitting in the cell all the time! Of course, people don't actually say that, but that's how silly this particular criticism is.

[Konradsmith]

Also when people laud people like Arya and the Hound as being "badasses", they're entirely ignoring how fucked up they are as people. They're incredibly disturbed characters who happen to dole out crowd-pleasing moments of violence from time to time. They're not one-note action heroes however. Of course I like cathartic action scenes as much as the next man, but killing people (even redshirts) has an impact on these characters.

[Annara Snow]

Also when people laud people like Arya and the Hound as being "badasses", they're entirely ignoring how fucked up they are as people. They're incredibly disturbed characters who happen to dole out crowd-pleasing moments of violence from time to time. They're not one-note action heroes.

Yes, when people say they like Arya or the Hound because of their "baddassery" or Dany because she's a hot chick with dragons... I feel like facepalming. (These are all some of my favorite characters BTW)

Don't get me wrong, people can like characters or dislike characters for whatever reason... it's just annoying, that's all.

[Konradsmith]

That's why I enjoy little scenes like Dany doing Missandei's hair or Arya eating a radish. It's important to show that they're people instead of walking archetypes.

[Beric175]

This year there definitely was the feeling that some viewers were getting fed up with good people like Oberyn dying and I know someone who said he would stop watching the show after finishing season 4 because he felt the show and the books were cynical and nihilistic. Anyone else feel the same way?

[The Drunkard]

There are always people saying that.

[7th-key]

Did he read the books?

It's not just about the body count.

[Stannisaurus2]

This year there definitely was the feeling that some viewers were getting fed up with good people like Oberyn dying and I know someone who said he would stop watching the show after finishing season 4 because he felt the show and the books were cynical and nihilistic. Anyone else feel the same way?

I would call them "realistic" (more realistic than most entertainment books anyway) which I guess can be translated somewhat to "cynical"... But nihilistic??? I don't see it at all.