Dr. Pepper Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Boris the Blade said: oh the ignorance, its evident! lets celebrate because now with Trump we get to watch all the children with bone cancer get to be denied coverage for that pre-existing condition again. But status quo bad, burning everything down to the ground like an infantile jackass good. I have such dumb fucking relatives who don't understand that this will be reality soon. I brought it up to one who currently has their kid in in and out of the hospital for a serious heart condition. They are arguing with me about whether or not it's possible to deny coverage. They have no idea that Obamacare allows them to have insurance at all. Stupid fucking shitbags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Boris the Blade said: oh the ignorance, its evident! lets celebrate because now with Trump we get to watch all the children with bone cancer get to be denied coverage for that pre-existing condition again. Well, if it spares children in other countries from getting bone cancer due to depleted uranium War Criminal Clinton likes to dispense... Rememeber what another esteemed Democrat in the Husband administration, Madeleine Albright, said about Iraqi children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris the Blade Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, SerHaHa said: What do you think Obama has been doing the last 8 years? Do you have any idea how many civilians we've droned or killed by other means? I know, I worked for 3 PMCs doing various taskings from the US DOD for 6 years in the mid east, mostly through Obama's Reign. And you speak of ignorance? Hilarious. What part of me said Obama never killed civilians eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 A Jacksonian style populist upset based on demonization and fear just like Jackson. What does this do to American Politics for the next 40 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerHaHa Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Quote What part of me said Obama never killed civilians eh? When you say that Trump is going to "start killing civilians", it's obvious language that you feel we aren't already killing civilians. And we are, by the bucket, without trial, judge, jury, just robot/AI and special forces executions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I was writing this in reply to someone last thread but fuck it, I'll just repost the most pertanent bit: Anyone talking about the future for the Democratic party or progressivism in general needs to understand just how fucked you are right. Changing demographics were always a big plus for the party and the whole amorphous movement, but as has been demonstrated tonight, it is not enough to counteract the white vote. And none of whatever you plan to do come 2018 or onward will be enough to fix what happens because of Trump's win. Not anytime soon or with any ease. The GOP will control every level of the federal government. SCOTUS on down, the judiciary will be filled up with appropriately conservative candidates who will make appropriately conservative judgements. There will be plenty of bills passed on key issues through the GOP controlled legislature and the GOP executive will get to work on all sorts of fun things and staffing minutia. It doesn't matter if the demographics are in your favour. Shit, just look at what NC was able to do to suppress the vote despite court orders. Under a full GOP federal government that shit and worse will be legal, as approved by a conservative SCOTUS majority that will live a long damn time. Trump winning here is pretty damn close to a death blow to progressivism in general in the US for the next many many years. It will take decades to undue what a Trump presidency with a GOP congress can do in just 2 years, let alone 4 or more. Assuming you even get the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, JCRB's Honeypot said: You know, without wanting to start a confrontation, the reason Trump won is because people was tired of being called names. II know I am myself: everytime I disagree with Hillary, I was a white supremacist homophobic racist who hated women of colour despite I'm myself one. Maybe if we start calling other people that just bc they have different political ideologies... I don't think this is why Trump won, but your point is something I have tried to impress upon students. Disrespect and generalizations go both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Shryke said: I was writing this in reply to someone last thread but fuck it, I'll just repost the most pertanent bit: Anyone talking about the future for the Democratic party or progressivism in general needs to understand just how fucked you are right. Changing demographics were always a big plus for the party and the whole amorphous movement, but as has been demonstrated tonight, it is not enough to counteract the white vote. And none of whatever you plan to do come 2018 or onward will be enough to fix what happens because of Trump's win. Not anytime soon or with any ease. The GOP will control every level of the federal government. SCOTUS on down, the judiciary will be filled up with appropriately conservative candidates who will make appropriately conservative judgements. There will be plenty of bills passed on key issues through the GOP controlled legislature and the GOP executive will get to work on all sorts of fun things and staffing minutia. It doesn't matter if the demographics are in your favour. Shit, just look at what NC was able to do to suppress the vote despite court orders. Under a full GOP federal government that shit and worse will be legal, as approved by a conservative SCOTUS majority that will live a long damn time. Trump winning here is pretty damn close to a death blow to progressivism in general in the US for the next many many years. It will take decades to undue what a Trump presidency with a GOP congress can do in just 2 years, let alone 4 or more. Assuming you even get the chance. I told you your delight in Trump's nomination was dangerous. I told you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, Shryke said: Anyone talking about the future for the Democratic party or progressivism in general needs to understand just how fucked you are right. Changing demographics were always a big plus for the party and the whole amorphous movement, but as has been demonstrated tonight, it is not enough to counteract the white vote. I'm not American, but I think you're not entirely correct. Hillary lost because people were SICK of the corrupt establishment. People voted against status quo. The candidate that challenged status quo won. Had Bernie been here, he'd have won, as every single poll indicated. But he is communist, Castro-loving, Israel-hating, pro-NRA, government handout bank destroyer that your independent democratic media painted him as. Can't have that. Oh no. Well, enjoy peeps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: A Jacksonian style populist upset based on demonization and fear just like Jackson. What does this do to American Politics for the next 40 years? Well, if we're going off history, Civil War by 2046. But Jackson had a much more stacked deck. Again, look at the bright side. Opposition is fun, he has no plan, and can't wait to turn obstructionism back on the GOP after the last 8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 9 minutes ago, JCRB's Honeypot said: You know, without wanting to start a confrontation, the reason Trump won is because people was tired of being called names. Trump's entire campaign was based on calling people names. Weaker people, specifically: minorities, women, the disabled, LGBTQ+ people. People who have been called names for most of recorded history - and suffered much worse. People who have been called much worse things than white people have ever been called, with more serious consequences. Trump's victory is not the oppressed rising up against the oppressors. It's the oppressors biting back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris the Blade Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, SerHaHa said: When you say that Trump is going to "start killing civilians", it's obvious language that you feel we aren't already killing civilians. And we are, by the bucket, without trial, judge, jury, just robot/AI and special forces executions. No, what I said was Trump has called to kill civilians as in purposely target civilians and kill them just because they are related to suspected terrorists. And no, it's not obvious language that we aren't killing civilians. Reread next time before responding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, Shryke said: SCOTUS on down, the judiciary will be filled up with appropriately conservative candidates who will make appropriately conservative judgements. There will be plenty of bills passed on key issues through the GOP controlled legislature and the GOP executive will get to work on all sorts of fun things and staffing minutia. This is a naive view on how the current legislative process works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 7 minutes ago, Boris the Blade said: maybe if they didnt support a fucking candidate that storm front fucking jerks off to or the KKK endorse that might hold some water, but yea. Yes, totally. I mean, all of my friends who vote Trump are definitely KKK members. Like, generalizations don't exist, right? I mean, it's not like people got tired of being called precisely that. Also, it's not like there is not shades. Either you vote Hillary or you are with the KKK, despite Hillary herself called a member of the KKK a "friend and mentor". I mean, I'm sure all the latinos voting in Florida are KKK supporters. They aren't at all the children of the conservative Cubans who escaped Cuba and now are being told how communism and socialism are so great by spoiled College students who are wishing Hurricane Matthew would have flooded them all because they didn't vote Hillary. It's like... people never vote reactively against those who belittle them never. Let's insult everybody who doesn't think like me, that's the real trick to win people to your cause, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Also, can I just say, Fuck You America. Seriously, fuck you. Whatever might be going with your building your own fucking Republic of Gilead, on the larger world stage y'all have seriously fucked us and shit could go bad real fast here. Trump's stated foreign policy agenda is scary as fuck from the perspective of, like, global stability. The South Koreans are already kinda shitting their pants from what I've seen. Oh, and the financial markets look like they are about to hang themselves. Fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterbumps! Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 24 minutes ago, JCRB's Honeypot said: I consider this more of a triumph of the people against mainstream media and establishment. Also, the people who got tired of being called names whenever they disagree with certain policies. Trump happened to embody all of that with a more positive message: "Make America Great" vs "Be with me". Best article explaining it all so far. Are you considering this "triumph of the people against mainstream media and establishment" a good thing? How do you feel about the fact that increasing consumption of horrifically skewed/ fictitious/ purposely divisive/ conspiratorial nonsense "news" sources is what has been fueling this distrust of mainstream media? is that a good thing too? Trump's message was catchier, but it was not positive. Or more specifically, it's positive to white cis straight christian males prone to magical thinking, and horrific to everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Here are a few thoughts on the election itself: 1) FiveThirtyEight people must be feeling pretty smug now. People accused them of making the election looking closer than it really was to drive up page views, but the election really was close. It is extremely unlikely that Clinton's probability of winning was something like 97% or whatever. 2) If the current results hold up, Trump didn't just breach the Democrat firewall, he drove a T28 tank through it (probably borrowing the only remaining vehicle of this type from Georgia). This is not like 2000 where the election was decided by a single state. Trump won several states which have been voting for Democrats for decades (e.g. Wisconsin since 1988 or Pennsylvania since 1992). 3) Wow, check out Ohio. It didn't get much press since it was expected to narrowly go to Trump, but Google says he won it by 9%. That's better than he did in Arizona or Georgia. 4) Trump appears to have won the popular vote as well as the electoral one. Surprising. 5) I kind of feel bad for Clinton's data team. I wonder what went wrong there. And finally, a personal note: I hope the people who chose Clinton over Sanders are satisfied now. The American people have chosen to roll the dice -- I still have no idea what Trump will do (which is part of the reason I didn't vote) and I suspect very few people who voted for him do. Let's hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazydog7 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Well whatever it is it can always be blamed on A. Obama B. The Chinese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I know I can't get away from politics but dammit I'm going to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: I told you your delight in Trump's nomination was dangerous. I told you. Eh. On the domestic front, for everything I mentioned there, Trump will be no different then any Republican. The scary shit comes first in foreign policy and second in his whole, you know, vindictive and authoritarian streak with no respect for laws or morality. Y'all elected a fascist serial sexual assaulter. Thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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