DaveSumm Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, Mexal said: Or that they'd create a situation where they'd try to abdicate responsibility for keeping Americans safe? As President. Not as a candidate. Not running for anything. But as the President. I think this is the part that I can't believe; regardless of Trump, his politics or his situation or however you feel about it, saying "that thing you're all afraid of? Well if it happens, it's this guys fault" is just bad leadership. That's without even getting into the fact that he's supposed to be on the same side as this judge. He has a responsibility to reassure the public, to convey an image of a united government that is in control, and instead he's being childish. He's laying ground work to excuse himself, the leader, from responsibility if his citizens are attacked. Hell, if my boss said something like this at work, it'd be bad leadership. And that's a company of about 30 people, this is the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Just now, Week said: So, extraordinary. Donald Trump leads a small band of billionaire rebels against the evil galactic establishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The guy from the Vale Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 1 minute ago, OldGimletEye said: Donald Trump leads a small band of billionaire rebels against the evil galactic establishment. So, he's Darth Sidious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Just now, theguyfromtheVale said: So, he's Darth Sidious? Maybe Darth Hideous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 30 minutes ago, theguyfromtheVale said: So, he's Darth Sidious? More like Darth Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Just now, Nasty LongRider said: More like Darth Ridiculous. LOL. Good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The guy from the Vale Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Nasty LongRider said: More like Darth Ridiculous. Where's that like button when you need it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Quote More like Darth Ridiculous. Hahah, careful there's an actual Darth Sideous on the board. You may get force choked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Sweet. Keep delaying that sucker. Quote President Donald Trump walked back his recent vow that Obamacare would be replaced in short order, telling F0x News’ Bill O’Reilly that the process is “complicated” and “maybe it’ll take till sometime into next year.” Trump: Obamacare replacement might take a year The timetable was notably longer than he's cited lately. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-super-bowl-interview-234669 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Just now, Martell Spy said: Sweet. Keep delaying that sucker. Trump: Obamacare replacement might take a year The timetable was notably longer than he's cited lately. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-super-bowl-interview-234669 Quote President Donald Trump walked back his recent vow that Obamacare would be replaced in short order, telling F0x News’ Bill O’Reilly that the process is “complicated” and “maybe it’ll take till sometime into next year.” Translation: The Republican Party and I never had any fuckin clue to what we are talkin about. We never had a credible plan to replace it. We talked shit for about 7 years, with nothing to back it up. Standby Republican Party: Cause the Ridicule and Snark cometh your way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 19 minutes ago, OldGimletEye said: Translation: The Republican Party and I never had any fuckin clue to what we are talkin about. We never had a credible plan to replace it. We talked shit for about 7 years, with nothing to back it up. Standby Republican Party: Cause the Ridicule and Snark cometh your way. The fun part is, they are finding out that much to their chagrin, much of the public doesn't want to lose ACA if there is no replacement that actually, you know provides affordable insurance that works. So far I've seen three vids of R's being run out of public forums, town halls and such, and it's hilarious that they can't handle the heat. One in Washington state, one in Calif and another, forget where. At any rate, delay good, public engaged and meeting with their cowardly reps, big surprise. To them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reny of Storms End Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Zorral said: I actually haven't read the book, but I know of him, via The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography; he was an actor in his day all right. I may be wrong about this because I'm not a specialist here, but he reminds me of that long Virginia tradition of state politicians in the tail of Patrick Henry who really believed in Virginia first and the hell with the rest of the country and a centralized federal gummit. Madison got there himself, for that matter, despite playing such a role in the writing of the Constitution and being a Federalist Papers contributor during the ratification debate. Edited to add, concerning finding sources -- check with your public library and its consortium. It's amazing what you can access this way. Your librarian who acts as reference librarian will be happy to help you figure out where to go and how to to go to what you're interested in. So much primary documentation has been digitized and its available online for nothing but what you're paying for your internet access anyway. This includes the incredible resources of the Library of Congress and other government agencies -- take advantage as much as possible for how much longer will we little people have this? He eventually got to that point as well. Supposedly he was one of the organizers of a plot to take both the arsenal at Harper's Ferry and the Federal Naval yard during the convention to decide if Virginia should secede from the Union, with the intent that it would sway the vote to seccession. As a younger man though he served in the House and apparently was something of a mouthpiece for the Tyler administration there. He was eventually totally alienated because of it and for his loyalty to Tyler appointed as Ambassador to Brazil. Thank you for providing the information about where to find sources that I can look at myself. I had never thought of what might be available through the public library. I had always assumed that was something only to be found at a College or University library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 20 minutes ago, Reny of Storms End said: He eventually got to that point as well. Supposedly he was one of the organizers of a plot to take both the arsenal at Harper's Ferry and the Federal Naval yard during the convention to decide if Virginia should secede from the Union, with the intent that it would sway the vote to seccession. As a younger man though he served in the House and apparently was something of a mouthpiece for the Tyler administration there. He was eventually totally alienated because of it and for his loyalty to Tyler appointed as Ambassador to Brazil. Thank you for providing the information about where to find sources that I can look at myself. I had never thought of what might be available through the public library. I had always assumed that was something only to be found at a College or University library. There's an enormous number of books you can read in full text online for no charge, thanks to google digitization project and many others. Often you can find them just by typing the title full text into your search engine. Also keep in mind that google, at least, has a scholar / academic function, though you do need to kind of dig to get it. So it's just easier to type google scholar into your search engine's window. Here's more info about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Scholar The most important thing to know about librarians is this: 1) they love to help; 2) they love to organize. That's what being a librarian is about. --making sure information can be accessed because if cannot be accessed it doesn't exist = organization and giving it to people. The eviLe ones know this very well, thus the war on public libraries they've been waging for so long, along with public everything else that involves providing access to information that They don't control. Edited to allow me to add: often through your public library and /or its consortium, the librarian can point you to academic data bases that can be accessed with your public library membership -- which means the colleges and universities in your region. And often the library catalog will point you to online resources of the work you want to see. I find this last one so useful in so many way because I can't afford to buy every book -- particularly books from academic presses -- that looks interesting and many of them won't be on a bookstore shelf. But I can browse in the book through that service and decide whether the expense is worth it to men. Libraries were the greatest resource, along with public education, that were ever created for the forces of progressive equality. Which is why there's been unrelenting war on them since the days of Nixon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aemon Stark Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Mexal said: Yes, he can do all of those things but none of them are right. That's the whole point. You do realize you're saying a competent politician would create a situation where Americans getting murdered would have political benefits for him right? Or that they'd create a situation where they'd try to abdicate responsibility for keeping Americans safe? As President. Not as a candidate. Not running for anything. But as the President. No recent politician that I know of has done something like this and no competent politician in today's world would. You really need to give up the pretext that what Donald Trump is doing right now has been done or would be done by any other person. It's a bad argument and one you cannot support. Quoted because it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 37 minutes ago, Zorral said: Libraries were the greatest resource, along with public education, that were ever created for the forces of progressive equality. Which is why there's been unrelenting war on them since the days of Nixon. I love libraries. Also, if one has a university or community college nearby, check out to see what their community lending policy is. If they have one, then one has resources that are a bit different for a public library. Great post though, didn't know that even a public library could help one access so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 13 minutes ago, Nasty LongRider said: I love libraries. Also, if one has a university or community college nearby, check out to see what their community lending policy is. If they have one, then one has resources that are a bit different for a public library. Great post though, didn't know that even a public library could help one access so much. You betcha! It's the digital age and all libraries spend far more of their resources on digital accessible materials than they do on print books. Because, among other reasons, resources are far too often allocated only for digital, (certainly not wages for real people to do work) so .... There's many reasons why public libraries' librarians have been in the forefront of the war of individual surveillance and denial of access to information. The people -- all of them -- credentialed librarians or not -- are the heroes of this war starting back in 2001. Public libraries have done and continue to do heroic efforts to stay open and provide services of all kinds, including those that never were the original remit of public libraries such as baby-sitting kids whose parents aren't home and have no where else to go. They are at least as important as your local public radio stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 15 minutes ago, Zorral said: Public libraries have done and continue to do heroic efforts to stay open and provide services of all kinds, including those that never were the original remit of public libraries such as baby-sitting kids whose parents aren't home and have no where else to go. They are at least as important as your local public radio stations. This is so true. They give computer access too and for anyone without one and needs to find a job the library is the place to go. Knowledge is subversive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Nasty LongRider said: More like Darth Ridiculous. My only issue with this is that Sith tend to favor the color black, not orange... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jaxom 1974 said: My only issue with this is that Sith tend to favor the color black, not orange... The orange is what makes it so ridiculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gertrude Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Orange is the new black, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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