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NFL 2018 Week 1: From Wentz You Came

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1 hour ago, The Lasr Storm said:

Jets went from home underdogs to 3 point favorites after monday night. I dont know if Detroit is that bad, reports say the players hate Patricia, or if the Jets defense is for real. After Ansah left the game the Lions looked like they quit.

Home team by -3 is basically the default Vegas line when the sports books don't yet what to make of a team(s). There were a ton of possibilities for this Jets season going in to, and most are still open. The Lions game suggests that "terrible growing pains season from hell for a super young team" is probably not what's going to happen, but no way to tell yet if the Jets are good. Meanwhile, the Dolphins were supposed to be pretty bad as well, but that Titans game was so screwy that its impossible to get a read on what actually happened there.

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11 hours ago, S John said:

That’s usually after wins, actually.

Damn, they made us drink so much I mixed it up. Still, you must admit this is bizarre behavior, no?  

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49 minutes ago, Fez said:

Home team by -3 is basically the default Vegas line when the sports books don't yet what to make of a team(s). There were a ton of possibilities for this Jets season going in to, and most are still open. The Lions game suggests that "terrible growing pains season from hell for a super young team" is probably not what's going to happen, but no way to tell yet if the Jets are good. Meanwhile, the Dolphins were supposed to be pretty bad as well, but that Titans game was so screwy that its impossible to get a read on what actually happened there.

If I was a Jets fan, I’d take away nothing from that game other than Darnold is qualified to be an NFL QB unlike Peterman and Allen and that the defense is at the very least decent. Your team still sucks, but you now at least have a reason to have hope.

Oh, and it sounds like Allen is starting. Poor guy.

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17 minutes ago, SpaceForce Tywin et al. said:

Damn, they made us drink so much I mixed it up. Still, you must admit this is bizarre behavior, no?  

Haha, well, yes but it's really only for BIG wins, not just any win.  You also have to think of it in the context of Morgantown, which is hard to describe if you've never been there.  Up until about 10-15 years ago, Morgantown was a pretty run down (but fun) mountain town with a seasonal influx of like 25k college students.  It's really hilly and there are bars interspersed everywhere.  And I mean, everywhere.  I would love to see the numbers on bars per capita because Morgantown must be up there. 

Anyway, students lived in old shitty houses all over town and people often had old couches or other furniture out on the front deck for parties and/or general chillin'.  Somehow, at some point, probably in the 60's or 70's, drunk people got into the habit of celebrating big wins in football or basketball by dragging porch furniture off the deck and into the street and setting it on fire.  An impromptu celebratory bonfire, if you will.  This happens at other places too but was common enough in Morgantown that WVU got a reputation for it.  When this happens alcohol is involved 100% of the time.

Nowadays though, the city and school have really cracked down on it.  For one thing there's been a lot of money coming through Morgantown as WVU cashes in on the wave of both research and football money.  The city isn't nearly as dumpy as it used to be.  With new condos and townhouses all over the place its becoming more like, well, everywhere else.  I recently looked into moving back there for a job opportunity, and it's actually kind of expensive to live there now, especially compared with the rest of West Virginia.  I have like 8 cousins who attended WVU, including one who was a firefighter in Morgantown for a while, and basically if you are even caught in the same photo as a flaming couch, dumpster, etc, you are expelled from WVU.  I think it still happens from time to time, but the heyday was really in the 80's and 90's, and the town / student body has largely cleaned up its act.  

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35 minutes ago, SpaceForce Tywin et al. said:

If I was a Jets fan, I’d take away nothing from that game other than Darnold is qualified to be an NFL QB unlike Peterman and Allen and that the defense is at the very least decent.

For sure. But those were question marks before the game. The Jets have a long history of bad QBs and the Jets defense has not been the thing of beauty it was a few years ago. So just getting those things right is enough to get -3 at home against an also unknown but probably not good Dolphins team.

I'm gonna push back on saying the Jets will suck this year though. I don't think they'll win the division, that isn't happening until Brady's arm falls off, but the whole AFC looks weak enough that a competent Darnold and good defense could be enough to sneak to the 6 seed. Its way too early to say for sure which teams will suck.

Except the Bills. They suck.

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1 hour ago, Fez said:

For sure. But those were question marks before the game. The Jets have a long history of bad QBs and the Jets defense has not been the thing of beauty it was a few years ago. So just getting those things right is enough to get -3 at home against an also unknown but probably not good Dolphins team.

I'm gonna push back on saying the Jets will suck this year though. I don't think they'll win the division, that isn't happening until Brady's arm falls off, but the whole AFC looks weak enough that a competent Darnold and good defense could be enough to sneak to the 6 seed. Its way too early to say for sure which teams will suck.

Except the Bills. They suck.

I’m willing to write off the Raiders at this point also. 

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Now that I can take time away from a 1 v. 5 fight in the tennis thread…..

2 hours ago, S John said:

Haha, well, yes but it's really only for BIG wins, not just any win.  You also have to think of it in the context of Morgantown, which is hard to describe if you've never been there.  Up until about 10-15 years ago, Morgantown was a pretty run down (but fun) mountain town with a seasonal influx of like 25k college students.  It's really hilly and there are bars interspersed everywhere.  And I mean, everywhere.  I would love to see the numbers on bars per capita because Morgantown must be up there. 

Anyway, students lived in old shitty houses all over town and people often had old couches or other furniture out on the front deck for parties and/or general chillin'.  Somehow, at some point, probably in the 60's or 70's, drunk people got into the habit of celebrating big wins in football or basketball by dragging porch furniture off the deck and into the street and setting it on fire.  An impromptu celebratory bonfire, if you will.  This happens at other places too but was common enough in Morgantown that WVU got a reputation for it.  When this happens alcohol is involved 100% of the time.

Nowadays though, the city and school have really cracked down on it.  For one thing there's been a lot of money coming through Morgantown as WVU cashes in on the wave of both research and football money.  The city isn't nearly as dumpy as it used to be.  With new condos and townhouses all over the place its becoming more like, well, everywhere else.  I recently looked into moving back there for a job opportunity, and it's actually kind of expensive to live there now, especially compared with the rest of West Virginia.  I have like 8 cousins who attended WVU, including one who was a firefighter in Morgantown for a while, and basically if you are even caught in the same photo as a flaming couch, dumpster, etc, you are expelled from WVU.  I think it still happens from time to time, but the heyday was really in the 80's and 90's, and the town / student body has largely cleaned up its act.  

HAHAHA. That’s pretty much exactly how I remember them describing it. It was in 2010 and they said they still burnt the coaches though.

Also, I recall something about a bridge being important. Can’t recall why though.

1 hour ago, Fez said:

For sure. But those were question marks before the game. The Jets have a long history of bad QBs and the Jets defense has not been the thing of beauty it was a few years ago. So just getting those things right is enough to get -3 at home against an also unknown but probably not good Dolphins team.

I'm gonna push back on saying the Jets will suck this year though. I don't think they'll win the division, that isn't happening until Brady's arm falls off, but the whole AFC looks weak enough that a competent Darnold and good defense could be enough to sneak to the 6 seed. Its way too early to say for sure which teams will suck.

Except the Bills. They suck.

The division and conference is weak, but not weak enough to make the Jets look decent. I’d put the over/under for wins at 6. There will be a few games in which Darnold and the defense will click at the same times, but I expect them to mostly struggle, and Darnold will regress a bit once teams get enough tape on him.

Still better than the Bills though. Their over/under should be 1.  

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We’re out of the country last weekend through next weekend so I didn’t get to watch either the Bears or the Seahawks lose their opening games in close and apparently entertaining match-ups.  That’s a real pity because they both may have some dull games ahead. 

But, I get lucky with scheduling this weekend that I can watch them play each other on MNF after I arrive back home. 

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36 minutes ago, SpaceForce Tywin et al. said:

The division and conference is weak, but not weak enough to make the Jets look decent. I’d put the over/under for wins at 6. There will be a few games in which Darnold and the defense will click at the same times, but I expect them to mostly struggle, and Darnold will regress a bit once teams get enough tape on him.

I hate going game-by-game through the schedule, but I just did. I see 5 games where the Jets will be clear underdogs, probably by a wide margin: the two Patriots games, vs.Packers (assuming Rodgers plays), vs.Vikings, and @Jaguars.

The other 10 though? That's one of the easier schedules in the league. I can pretty easily see an 8-8 season for them from here.

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2 hours ago, Fez said:

I hate going game-by-game through the schedule, but I just did. I see 5 games where the Jets will be clear underdogs, probably by a wide margin: the two Patriots games, vs.Packers (assuming Rodgers plays), vs.Vikings, and @Jaguars.

The other 10 though? That's one of the easier schedules in the league. I can pretty easily see an 8-8 season for them from here.

If the defense plays like Bowles' defense in Arizona, which it did Monday night, then I could see them having an outside shot at a wildcard.

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4 hours ago, Fez said:

I hate going game-by-game through the schedule, but I just did. I see 5 games where the Jets will be clear underdogs, probably by a wide margin: the two Patriots games, vs.Packers (assuming Rodgers plays), vs.Vikings, and @Jaguars.

The other 10 though? That's one of the easier schedules in the league. I can pretty easily see an 8-8 season for them from here.

I agree those five are losses. I think you can schedule in two wins against the Bills. That gets you to 3-5. The other eight games though, eh, I wouldn't favor the Jets in any of them, but I also wouldn't write them off in any of them either. 

The Jets could literally go 3-13 to 12-4 (random upset). Guess you're in for a ride lol. just don't raise your expectations if you make it to the playoffs. 

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So it sounds like it was a knee sprain for Rodgers after all.  Still no word on playing this week.  

 

If you see the two turnover that Kiser had in that very brief period he was in the game they were both remarkable turnovers.  I would say on the average NFL Sunday they might have been the two worst in the whole NFL and might still have been though Jimmy G's last pick and Peterman's high pick were also both so atrocious.  

But seriously, watch this.

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46 minutes ago, Triskjavikson said:

So it sounds like it was a knee sprain for Rodgers after all.  Still no word on playing this week.  

 

If you see the two turnover that Kiser had in that very brief period he was in the game they were both remarkable turnovers.  I would say on the average NFL Sunday they might have been the two worst in the whole NFL and might still have been though Jimmy G's last pick and Peterman's high pick were also both so atrocious.  

But seriously, watch this.

As a Packers fan: yes, that was really bad. On the whole, Kizer was really, really bad. Like, worse than Hundley bad. My god, if they play Rodgers next week against the same dominant defense that broke his collarbone while HEALTHY, I’ll be hyperventilating the entire time. Just throw Kizer to the wolves and take the loss, make sure Rodgers is 100% before coming back. Let’s be real, there’s a good chance we lose this matchup regardless of his health.

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12 hours ago, Triskjavikson said:

So it sounds like it was a knee sprain for Rodgers after all.  Still no word on playing this week.  

 

If you see the two turnover that Kiser had in that very brief period he was in the game they were both remarkable turnovers.  I would say on the average NFL Sunday they might have been the two worst in the whole NFL and might still have been though Jimmy G's last pick and Peterman's high pick were also both so atrocious.  

But seriously, watch this.

Good lord was that bad.

I'm not sure what they do here, if Rodgers plays they'll have stick to the quick plays that dominated the 2nd half.  Unfortunately, that's where the Vikings D shines.  They have holes deep (especially TE getting free deep), but are pretty dominant off the line in tight man coverage.  If Rogers can't move and let those deeper plays develop, you could see a lot of 3 and outs.

On the other hand if you have Kiser play you are just giving up and taking the loss, because he's.... not good.

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The little gametime hype bunny promo just played for NFL Network... I'm just confused. It was something about time? And wins are measured in time and are you big time?

 

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14 minutes ago, Lord Lyman said:

Would an officiating crew rule a turnover, just so they can use the review process to make the right call?

This is similar to the logic that it makes more sense to rule a questionable scoring play a touchdown so you automatically review it than to call it the opposite and force a challenge to make sure the call is right.

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I haven't looked, but I automatically assume I'm playing AJ Green in every fantasy league this week.

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