The Commentator Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 It’s good if Arya serves as a sad, even cautionary, example of what happens to those who seek and commit murderous revenge. Catelyn’s is a punishment more severe than death. Her soul dies with each Frey she murders. With Arya, it’s her sanity and humanity that dies with each murder she committed. Roswell, James Fenimore Cooper XXII and Son of Man 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 minute ago, The Commentator said: It’s good if Arya serves as a sad, even cautionary, example of what happens to those who seek and commit murderous revenge. Catelyn’s is a punishment more severe than death. Her soul dies with each Frey she murders. With Arya, it’s her sanity and humanity that dies with each murder she committed. It's good if the Freys serve as a sad good, even cautionary satisfying example of what happens to those who seek and commit murderous revenge. Walder's will be a punishment so severe he wishes for death. The story of the rat cook makes this very clear. He broke guest right and he'll get what's coming to him. SeanF and Aldarion 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Cat would have stayed dead. The dead should stay dead. Cat killed Aegon Frey and they killed her for it. It was even. She then comes back and starts killing more. Her sins increase and so does her punishment. It should be the same for Arya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the trees have eyes Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 21 hours ago, Moiraine Sedai said: Cat would have stayed dead. The dead should stay dead. Cat killed Aegon Frey and they killed her for it. It was even. She then comes back and starts killing more. Her sins increase and so does her punishment. It should be the same for Arya. This kind of summary of The Red Wedding probably earns a lot of likes in the Trollverse, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 19 hours ago, the trees have eyes said: This kind of summary of The Red Wedding probably earns a lot of likes in the Trollverse, right? It’s a fair description of what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the trees have eyes Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 hours ago, Moiraine Sedai said: It’s a fair description of what happened. If you bother to read the books Catelyn has a ringside view to the slaughter of the Northern and River Lords at The Red Wedding, the tipping moment being when her son is murdered in front of her eyes, so to describe it as some kind of Aegon for Catelyn tit for tat with the score even is pure stupidity. And very poor trolling. But you know that of course. Craving Peaches, Aldarion, Prince of the North and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 5 hours ago, Moiraine Sedai said: It’s a fair description of what happened. If one is Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lord of the Crossing Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Arya's mental sickness will only get worse because George Martin intended her one of the five (Daenerys, Jon, Tyrion, Arya, and Bran) to live through the story to the end. The savagery coming from the direwolf is like the spirit and personality of the skin masks affecting Arya. It is not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 On 2/11/2024 at 3:59 PM, Moiraine Sedai said: Cat would have stayed dead. The dead should stay dead. Take it up with GRRM; he's the one who wanted to subvert expectations about characters coming back from the dead. Aldarion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wadsworth Longfellow Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Catelyn died a violent death like many who was part of the Stark warparty that came from the North. Arya's pet pulled her from the water after she had been dead for some time. Much of what Catelyn was has rotted away with part of her in that river. Arya will have more bodily function because her damage is mental rather than physical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roswell Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 On 2/10/2024 at 10:14 PM, The Commentator said: It’s good if Arya serves as a sad, even cautionary, example of what happens to those who seek and commit murderous revenge. Catelyn’s is a punishment more severe than death. Her soul dies with each Frey she murders. With Arya, it’s her sanity and humanity that dies with each murder she committed. It's that saying about needing to dig two graves before setting out for revenge. Arya has already set out like an arrow that has been loosed. Her own grave is already waiting for her. Sydney Mae and Darth Sidious 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Fenimore Cooper XXII Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Two books left only. I don't think there is time for Arya to die like Catelyn and then get the kiss of life to come back. Arya will die and second-life her direwolf. How insane she is when it happens will be interesting to witness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here's Looking At You, Kid Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Bran is howling at the moon. That might be instinct for a wolf bonded little Stark boy but it sure looks like lunacy to the average person in Westeros. Likewise, to somebody like Bran who has tasted human flesh it is acceptable to have a cannibal little brother. That kind of eating habit is not going to be welcomed by most folk. Moiraine Sedai 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Fenimore Cooper XXII Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 On 2/10/2024 at 10:14 AM, The Commentator said: With Arya, it’s her sanity and humanity that dies with each murder she committed. Arya is losing her sanity and morality because her mental illness is getting worse. Carrying out the murders is the symptom of the illness. The crime is the effect not the cause. Her inherited gene from the Tullys plus the horrific experiences are the contributing elements to the illness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 The North will resort to cannibalism. It has begun with Bran and Wayman. Wayman is not getting away with that horrible deed. Arya is losing her sanity and will lose more of what little is left of moral inhibitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Arya’s chosen life will be filled with blood and grief. It’s not going to be a happy one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Reckon is going to be mental. A beast in many ways like his direwolf. BlackLightning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLightning Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 2/13/2024 at 1:58 PM, the trees have eyes said: If you bother to read the books Catelyn has a ringside view to the slaughter of the Northern and River Lords at The Red Wedding, the tipping moment being when her son is murdered in front of her eyes, so to describe it as some kind of Aegon for Catelyn tit for tat with the score even is pure stupidity. And very poor trolling. But you know that of course. Well to be fair, wasn't Catelyn was originally supposed to be imprisoned and used as a hostage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the trees have eyes Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 On 4/3/2024 at 8:23 PM, BlackLightning said: Well to be fair, wasn't Catelyn was originally supposed to be imprisoned and used as a hostage? Yes, at least that is what Tywin tells Tyrion but what I was deriding was this line of thinking about The Red Wedding: "Cat killed Aegon Frey and they killed her for it. It was even. She then comes back and starts killing more. Her sins increase and so does her punishment.". It's like The Red Wedding never happened and Cat just killed poor Jinglebell out of the blue and is now sinning against the noble and innocent House Frey for just no fathomable reason whatsoever. Just totally wild, right, how can we make sense of this? BlackLightning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Man Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 2/10/2024 at 10:14 PM, The Commentator said: It’s good if Arya serves as a sad, even cautionary, example of what happens to those who seek and commit murderous revenge. Catelyn’s is a punishment more severe than death. Her soul dies with each Frey she murders. With Arya, it’s her sanity and humanity that dies with each murder she committed. Bonding with Nymeria isn't helping her hold on to her humanity! She didn't have much of that to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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