Relic Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 12:37 PM, sifth said: I love this show so much. It's so refreshing how it reinvents itself every season. Munch is immortal? He's either that, or he fancies himself as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunland Lord Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 17 hours ago, DaveSumm said: Is that a popular opinion that Season 4 was boring? I thought it was great. I’ve loved all of them, probably Season 3 the weakest for me. It is crazy that a show can be a largely plausible, present day non-fantasy story and yet still have the audience asking “is that guy 500 years old?” Personally, I couldn't even finish third and fourth seasons. I'll try the fifth though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Jennifer J Leigh is slaying her part lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskaral Pust Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 I’m enjoying S5, and it’s a big improvement on S4, but it’s still a bit flat and feels like a pale echo of the stronger early seasons. The juxtaposition of quirky, down to earth, passive-aggressive Minnesota nice with violent crime and a desperate struggle for normality still works as an amusing format, but the story and characters lack that knife-edge tension between Martin Freeman and Billy Bob Thornton in S1. Zorral 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 9 hours ago, Iskaral Pust said: the story and characters lack that knife-edge tension between Martin Freeman and Billy Bob Thornton in S1. It feels as though the showrunners have made it 100% caricature, thus w/o soul, as, for instance, naming a sin eater, Munch, and having him lurch about as though he's from The Addams Family. Leigh's character comes off like that too, and Jon Hamm's is very close -- particularly as this was the most famous regional beer for years and years: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Season 1 and 2 of this show, might be some of the greatest tv I’ve seen in my life. Iskaral Pust and Calibandar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSumm Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I thought I’d become somewhat acclimatised to the domestic violence in this season, but that was an incredibly upsetting episode. It’d be so cathartic at this point if the last two episodes were just Roy Tillman getting slowly beaten to death. Zorral 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 It's gotten so pornographic, as opposed to either satiric or ironic -- or anything else -- with violence and even imagined violence, and it being done to wives by these monsters, one feels the 'creators' are grooving on it. I can't watch it any longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) I enjoyed much of the episode... but they kind of jumped the shark with the ending. Spoiler Danish Graves deciding to go solo, and ignoring Lorraine entirely, is nuts and seems utterly out of character for him. I understand that maybe his concern was that she'd tell him to leave her to Tillman, and he'd feel bound to do it... but come on. He's a high-powered lawyer for a high-powered person, he can't call in favors or pull strings to get some serious backup in there with him without involving Lorraine? He has to go in alone? Like, he may think Roy Tillman is somewhat rational... but how rational can he believe him to be, when he's sent thugs around kidnapping, brutalizing, disappearing, and burning? Doesn't make sense to me. RIP Danish. Dave Foley was a terrific choice for him. Love that we're never told, and will likely never learn, why he has only the one eye. Edited January 3 by Ran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 13 hours ago, Zorral said: one feels the 'creators' are grooving on it. You're missing the mark by a mile here. It WAS very hard to watch, however. There's an interesting theme emerging in this season about debt and collecting debt. We know that the eldest Lyon-esse is a debt collector. She buys up debt and collects it by any means, sucking up a person's entire life if need be. We also know that Munch is either an undying sin-eater, or fancies himself as such. He metaphorically eats a dead person's sins to free them in the afterlife from the debt that they owe the "Almighty". In the flashback we saw from the 1800s sin-eating seemed to be his job. A debt collector, or a debt absolver? In the present, he is a force that will collect a debt by any means, as we are shown his obsession over being owed by Roy for the kidnapping of Dot. He seems less angry at the fact that they tried to have him killed than not receiving payment for his work. I'm not really sure where the show is going with this concept, but the two seem connected. Lorraine Lyon and Munch will probably have a hand in freeing Dot, metaphorically absolving her of the debt that Roy seems so hell-bent on extracting. Will all three die in the process? We can only hope... Edited January 4 by Relic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskaral Pust Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 If the latest episode is even harder to watch then I’m not sure that I want to. DV is very uncomfortable to watch. Zorral 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) It's impossible for anyone who has had someone very close in their life victimized by serial rapists and killers, and on top of it grew up on a farm where this show is supposedly located. It cannot be watched as escapism and entertainment. It's real. It happens. It happens to real people. Real people we know and care about. Some times it is even to ourselves this happened. Edited January 4 by Zorral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Yea, I'm no longer enjoying this season. That last episode just made me feel dirty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 A pair of great scenes to close out the season. Lorraine and Roy at the prison, and then Dot/Munch at the dinner table. My only question is who the hell eats biscuits with chili? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 The final few scenes were amazing. I love the resolution to Munch's story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerol Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 A man is pleased with the final scene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSumm Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Unless I missed something, was this the first season with no connection to any others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 16 hours ago, Jerol said: A man is pleased with the final scene Thought it was rather audacious, and I enjoyed the hell of it. Also liked how Jaqen H'ghar-ish Munch was with how he spoke. Heh. All in all, a pretty good season. I did think Spoiler killing Witt Far was kind of too damned obvious, and I can't believe he was incapable of defending himself when Roy was already so close to him, well within range of stabbing him. I know, he was too nice for the world, but it just seemed a bit cheap. 4 hours ago, DaveSumm said: Unless I missed something, was this the first season with no connection to any others? Sharp-eyed Redditors have noted that there's plenty of nods to the original film and some other Coen Brothers films, including Jean Lundegaard's portrait being hung up in the Camp Utopia sequence,. It may be that Lorraine Lyon is actually Jean's sister, since in the film there's a line about a "Lorraine" calling about Jean and Jerry telling his son Scotty (same name as the daughter this season!) to tell her that his mother is "away". But actual direct ties to previous seasons, not so much, others have noted... Oh, via Reddit: Quote In S05E03 Gator and Roy are having a chat outside a pawn shop and the corvette from season 3 is parked there. In S05E08 Danish is filling up his Porsche at the “Rushmore” gas station that “The Butcher of Luverne” (Ed Blumquist) from season 2 would use the payphone to call the Gerhardts from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshwater Spartan Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Another great season. Right up there with season 2. So much fun to watch this being a Midwesterner. Hopefully we get a 6th season but I have a feeling this is it. One of my top ten shows for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibandar Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 12/2/2023 at 2:24 AM, Iskaral Pust said: Very good so far, but now not enjoying the long wait for new episodes. I should have been patient so I could binge the season. Its a return to form, much better than s4. Iskaral Pust 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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