Watch, Watched, Watching: It's Award Season

[DMC]

5 hours ago, Heartofice said:

Depends if you want to use some very different definition of an ideology outside of 'a set of opinions and beliefs or philosophies'. Barbie is absolutely projecting it's ideology to the world, much more than it is about a plastic doll. 

Sure, that's the general definition of ideology.  What you're omitting is the "practical elements are as prominent as theoretical ones" part which is pretty crucial.  "A set of opinions and beliefs" when it comes to political ideology entails policy preferences.  The film Barbie does not prescribe any specific policies in any discernible way.  Neither does 300, neither does Forrest Gump.  Indeed, most films don't.  That's my point and why I raised the issue.

If you want to misuse terminology, that's your prerogative.  What do I know?  I only literally do this for a living and am paid by institutions to teach these definitions to consumers students because I'm a qualified expert within the discipline.

5 hours ago, Heartofice said:

That's a flat out admission that the previous few years have prioritised 'messaging' over entertainment. It's hardly just me and Bob who have noticed it either. It really just seems to be you, on your own, pretending it hasn't been happening.

Well, Iger isn't really "admitting" anything but rather justifying his reinstatement by suggesting for the year he was gone the creative direction of Disney was not what he would have approved.  Anyway, again, I don't care what Bob Iger says at an industry summit and I'm really not sure why you do either.

To reiterate for the last time, I'm not saying "it" isn't happening.  I'm saying "it" isn't what you say "it" is.  "It" simply reflects the world is changing, and that of course upsets many people when the corresponding "messaging" from Hollywood changes as well.

[dbunting]

1 hour ago, Zorral said:

You forgot the plastic and lead and fascism.

I also forgot cynicism but luckily for all of us we have you for that!

[IlyaP]

4 hours ago, Ran said:

What the fuck is in the water over there in the US? 

Sugar. A lot of sugar. Sugar in EVERYTHING!

 

 

Edited January 29 by IlyaP

[Zorral]

1 hour ago, dbunting said:

I also forgot cynicism but luckily for all of us we have you for that!

You all need to give thanx every moment that someone has stepped up to the impossible job of cynicism of all our capitalist institutions!   

[kissdbyfire]

I hated Forrest Gump, and I only managed to bring myself to watch it late last year. 
Watched Shetland s 7 and enjoyed it very much, though I missed Mark Bonnar and wasn’t happy about him being in only 1 scene. 
Also rewatched True Detective s 1 over the last 10 days or so in preparation for s4; s 1 is excellent. Was planning on watching all 3 prior series but sort of remembered I really didn’t like s 2 and can’t remember a thing from s 3, so skipping from 1 straight to 4. 

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

2 hours ago, IlyaP said:

Sugar. A lot of sugar. Sugar in EVERYTHING!

I thought it was because gave up water and only drink Brawndo. 

I don't get why people hate Forest Gump. It's not as good as some people say, but it's also not an awful movie. 

[kissdbyfire]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Chatywin et al. said:

I thought it was because gave up water and only drink Brawndo. 

I don't get why people hate Forest Gump. It's not as good as some people say, but it's also not an awful movie. 

Hate is too strong a word… so I’ll go with really boring, moralistic, excessively sugary, tries too hard to emotionally manipulate the audience, and kind of dumb. But great cast! 
I also can’t say I’m a Zemeckis fan… the Back to the Future films were fun, as was Romancing the Stone, and I kind of enjoyed Contact despite its warts. But come on, Castaway? Death Becomes Her? Allied?  

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

THe Holdovers was really good. 

27 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

Hate is too strong a word… so I’ll go with really boring, moralistic, excessively sugary, tries too hard to emotionally manipulate the audience, and kind of dumb. But great cast! 
I also can’t say I’m a Zemeckis fan… the Back to the Future films were fun, as was Romancing the Stone, and I kind of enjoyed Contact despite its warts. But come on, Castaway? Death Becomes Her? Allied?  

...And has some really shady politics in my opinion. Everyone in the film who actually stands for something is an asshole or an abuser or a drug addict**. Forrest OTOH, is just some oaf who doesn't know what he's talking about half the time and just bumbles from one massive success to the other. In the novel he rides a rocket into space for christ sakes!

I'm probably more cynical about the '60s counterculture than most but this movie is something else.

** Except for his mom. She fucked the principal to keep Forrest from riding the short bus to school. She was a nice lady. 

Edited January 30 by Deadlines? What Deadlines?

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

41 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

Hate is too strong a word… so I’ll go with really boring, moralistic, excessively sugary, tries too hard to emotionally manipulate the audience, and kind of dumb. But great cast! 
I also can’t say I’m a Zemeckis fan… the Back to the Future films were fun, as was Romancing the Stone, and I kind of enjoyed Contact despite its warts. But come on, Castaway? Death Becomes Her? Allied?  

I get it's overly sappy, but that shouldn't take away from the acting and interesting cinematography. And personally I liked Castaway and Death Becomes Her. Contact of all the movies is the one I'll never watch again.

Also, looking up his IMDB Zemeckis helped write of all things Bordello of Blood. Haven't seen that in ages, but I just recall watching it with my step-bro as kids and being surprised by all the nudity.  

Edited January 30 by Mr. Chatywin et al.

[kissdbyfire]

1 minute ago, Mr. Chatywin et al. said:

I get that's overly sappy, but that shouldn't take away from the acting and interesting cinematography.
 

I don’t know… to me is more the case of acknowledging that despite the film being bad, it has great acting and cinematography. Just b/c I don’t think these can hold a film together on their own. 

1 minute ago, Mr. Chatywin et al. said:

And personally I liked Castaway and Death Becomes Her. Contact of all the movies is the one I'll never watch again.

I don’t think I finished Castaway… 

1 minute ago, Mr. Chatywin et al. said:

Also, looking up his IMDB Zemeckis helped write of all things Bordello of Blood. Haven't seen that in ages, but I just recall watching it with my step-bro as kids and being surprised by all the nudity.  

The wut? Never heard of this but the title alone is hilarious!

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

35 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

I don’t know… to me is more the case of acknowledging that despite the film being bad, it has great acting and cinematography. Just b/c I don’t think these can hold a film together on their own. 

Agree to disagree.

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I don’t think I finished Castaway… 

Castaway has pretty good middle and a very sweet ending, but I get why people might check out on it. The movie has boring sections. 

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The wut? Never heard of this but the title alone is hilarious!

It's one of two Tales from the Crypt movies. This one is about a private investigator trying to track down a missing person and runs into a brothel of vampires IIRC. Demon Knight is the other one and that is legit a lot of fun. Billy Zane is great in it. 

[DMC]

I liked Cast Away, although I understand why many didn't.  As Ty mentioned I think the most amusing aspect of Zemeckis' CV is the story credit for Bordello of Blood.  Dennis Miller, Tales from the Crypt, and borderline softcore porn -- what's not to like? ...Ok, yeah, all of that.  Definitely a movie that only would be made in the nineties.

[Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II]

Maybe the reason you guys don’t like Forest Gump is because this forum is mostly dominated by the Left Wing and this film is clearly favouring Right Wing politics ? I think it’s just a difference in politically ideology rather than the film being bad imo.

[DMC]

21 minutes ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said:

Maybe the reason you guys don’t like Forest Gump is because this forum is mostly dominated by the Left Wing and this film is clearly favouring Right Wing politics ? I think it’s just a difference in politically ideology rather than the film being bad imo.

I thought Don't Look Up was a really dumbass movie, but sometimes it's informative.

[JGP]

Good to see you, DMC

[Kalbear]

49 minutes ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said:

Maybe the reason you guys don’t like Forest Gump is because this forum is mostly dominated by the Left Wing and this film is clearly favouring Right Wing politics ? I think it’s just a difference in politically ideology rather than the film being bad imo.

I'm very much struggling to figure outnwhat right wing politics Forrest Gump supports. It has been a while since I've seen it, but I don't remember anything particularly noteworthy in any way. 

I think its fine, saccharine and FEEL.THIS.EMOTION with superficial lessons of life. There are some funny bits but it mostly is useful to understand a few memes. I dont hate it because something has to actually make strong feelings to cause hate. 

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

48 minutes ago, DMC said:

I thought Don't Look Up was a really dumbass movie, but sometimes it's informative.

Great movie.

18 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

I'm very much struggling to figure out what right wing politics Forrest Gump supports. It has been a while since I've seen it, but I don't remember anything particularly noteworthy in any way. 

Yeah. I'd say Forrest Gump kind of goes out its way to be apolitical. 

 

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

59 minutes ago, DMC said:

I thought Don't Look Up was a really dumbass movie, but sometimes it's informative.

I had high hopes for it. It's better on the second viewing once expectations are lowered, but it's still too heavy handed. The ending is pretty funny though. 

[DMC]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Chatywin et al. said:

I had high hopes for it. It's better on the second viewing once expectations are lowered, but it's still too heavy handed. The ending is pretty funny though. 

Honestly I was just using the film's title to be a smartass.  But yeah, as I've stated before, I wish McKay would just go back to making funny movies.  His breakup with Ferrell - based on casting John C. Reilly as Jerry Buss - is pretty unfortunate.

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

20 minutes ago, DMC said:

Honestly I was just using the film's title to be a smartass.  But yeah, as I've stated before, I wish McKay would just go back to making funny movies.  His breakup with Ferrell - based on casting John C. Reilly as Jerry Buss - is pretty unfortunate.

I do think Reilly was the better fit though, that said, McKay has said he regrets the fallout and that it was mostly on him. However, I don't think their brand of comedy works as much these days and in general comedy is in a bad spot. Black/horror comedy still puts out a lot of decent stuff, but McKay and Ferrell's style feels kind of dead right now. 

Edited January 30 by Mr. Chatywin et al.