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  1. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Waymar’s group were tracking eight wildlings, one of which was a woman up a tree with afar eyes. It’s shortly afterwards that they disappeared and the white walkers appeared.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Or that Westeros is a simulation run by the children of the forest, much like the hypothesis that we’re living in a simulation. https://www.google.com/amp/bigthink.com/natalie-shoemaker/question-the-nature-of-your-reality-with-neil-degrasse-tyson-brian-greene.amp
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    And Ned’s the Stanger?
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    A reasonable conclusion IF the fever dream is a true account, which I'm fairly certain it is not as demonstrated by Dunk's earlier, parallel dream.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Ned's dream describes the stones from the fallen tower as being "bloody". If they were burned you wouldn't expect blood to remain. I do appreciate an explanation though for how two men could pull down a tower...a feat which would seem difficult to complete by two men.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    I’m nodding my head in agreement with your conclusion that Green Men would be the different sort of life for those who work earth magic. It would also be an explanation for the ancient story that Asha recalls about fighting trees. Here’s the cue for whompin weirwoods to make an appearance! This has also bothered me as well, and likely what chaps Lady Dustin’s hide too is that Ned brought Lyanna home, but none of his men. Unless, perhaps, Lyanna wasn’t found dying so far from home?
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    I agree. Ned does confirm while awake that all of his men died, but that Howland rode away with him. I was commenting on the detail that in Ned's dream Howland was also a wraith. It could be interpreted that by the time Ned began having this dream, Howland was also - in Ned's opinion - dead. I think many readers suspect Howland became a greenseer, and maybe Dunk's dream of Egg being buried alive is kind of a prophetic confirmation?
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Howland is included in the list of wraiths! Very sharp eye, SerArthur! I have missed that detail through multiple rereads! Oh my. I wonder what we are to make of that?
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Ned's men died, because in his dream his men were wraiths, and Lady Dustin believed her husband died in Dorne, because Ned told her he did. Furthermore, he told her he was unable to return his bones, but brought his horse back to her. Something is very fishy in Dorne! I guess It is entirely possible that his men died before he went to Dorne, and maybe it was a convenient backstory to say he died there? I guess we don't know for sure. I agree there's something there with Lady Dustin or her husband that has yet to be revealed.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Just so. There are a lot of readers that use Ned's fever dream to support a number of theories with R+L=J being the biggest one. I suspect that the only thing that may be true is that Ned and Howland went to Starfall to return Arthur Dayne's sword. The rest is questionable.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Examining Dunk's dream could and should be used in comparison to Ned's fever dream. Many elements in Dunk's dream are not true. Sometime after The Hedge Knight and before The Sworn Sword, Dunk and Egg make their way to Dorne, presumably to look for Tanselle-too-tall as hinted at the end of The Hedge Knight. Dunk thinks to himself: While awake Dunk confirms that the only part of the dream that was true was that Chestnut died on the way to Vaith in Dorne, and that he and Egg rode double on Thunder until Egg's brother gave them the mule, Maester. So, the grave digging was wasn't true. The three Dornish knights mocking him while he dug wasn't true. Dunk's weeping while he talked with the knights wasn't true. Ser Arlan certainly was not there. He was dead before Dunk even met Egg. Neither was Baelor Breakspear nor Prince Valarr there, much less alive. Baelor died at Dunk's trial by combat at Ashbury Meadow, and Valarr during the Great Spring Sickness which occurred while Dunk and Egg were in Dorne. Big Rob the simpleton was asleep downstairs while Dunk was having the dream, so he couldn't have been dead from the belly wound. Dunk hadn't even met Big Rob, Ser Bennis, Treb, Wet Wat, Wat, Lem, and Pate until he came to work for Ser Eustace Osgrey. If all of these people were never with Dunk and Egg in Dorne, then why should we believe that Ned and his men fought the three Kingsguard at the tower of joy, or be sure that all three died there?
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    You're quite right with regards to the quote. I must have misremembered it and associated the three Baratheon brothers as being the broken tines, because House Baratheon is quite shattered like the antler. At the end of Dance Stannis was very much alive, while the mummer's version hints at his death, but of course this hasn't been confirmed in the books, at least not yet.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    I read the below passage today and thought it was applicable to not just Dunk's dream, but ASOIAF as a whole. It brought to mind the dead mother direwolf scene, which according to GRRM was the inspiration for the entire series of ASOIAF. Its not the opening of AGoT, because the prologue about Ser Waymar Royce meeting the white walkers is, but technically it is the first chapter. The quote is from a professional screenwriter: The beginning is a literal wound taken by a dead mother direwolf - the cause of death a broken antler from a stag in its throat. Symbolically its the death of House Stark by House Baratheon. You can disagree with my assessment, but it seems plain to me. Duncan's dream of seeing Big Rob the simpleton in the grave with a wound to his belly also appears to be a straightforward condensation of what Robert Baratheon did. In a nutshell, I believe it will come to light that King Bob: 1) Conspired with Cersei and Tywin in order to become king 2) Participated in Lyanna's kidnapping dressed in armor that looked like Rhaegar's 3) I don't think he purposely intended to kill Lyanna, but he did feel possessive towards her. 4) The three broken tines represent each Baratheon brother. All three end up causing harm to House Stark even if unintended. 5) The resolution of the story will include a Baratheon helping to restore House Stark.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Dunk's dream has several elements beginning with a tourney, nearly losing a hand and a foot which I think parallels Ned's loss of brother and father. The mention of a falling star is perhaps an echo for Rhaegar, while his painted shield nods toward the knight of the laughing tree. The loss of three good men could be the three Kingsguard. The fact that Dunk gained Egg as a squire makes me wonder if Howland was Ned's squire after Harrenhal Tourney? The elements of the red mountains and sands of Dorne are of course the same, as well as the mention of the Prince's Pass. The trio of Dornish knights are more readily recognized this time as the Kingsguard. The grave digging echoes the cairns that Ned made, while the description of the death of Chestnut seems like it could be Lyanna. Why compare Lyanna to a horse? The text says she was a centaur, an excellent horse rider, and there was a discussion awhile back regarding the identity of the KotLT as being an incident of skinchanging where Pretty Pig thought Lyanna skin changed into Howland's horse. Ned allows Arya's sword training, because we suspect Lyanna died partly due to a lack of fighting skills. The men in Dunk's dream mock him for crying over a horse. This could go a few ways. It could be an indication that no-one knew Lyanna was inside that horse, or even when Ned buried her no one knew he was burying his sister. The couple mentions about not wanting to waste water in the desert seems like its supposed to have a double meaning. Anyone have any ideas? I think Big Rob the simpleton's appearance in the grave with the gaping wound in his belly is Robert Baratheon - gored by the bore. Lastly, Egg being buried alive in the grave seems to hint that Howland is now a greenseer. I agree that it seems as if Ned and Howland showed up in Jaime's dream. I think the numbers add up. In Ned's fever dream wasn't it seven against three? In Jaime's dream its seven against two, but Ned's men were wraiths just as Jaime's Kingsguard brothers were armored in snow (death).
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    The current topic seems to have run out of steam, so I propose a new subject. I've been rereading Dunk and Egg stories and came across Duncan's dream, which has some very similar elements to Ned's Fever Dream, as well as nods to the Harrenhal Tourney, the Knight of the Laughing Tree, and even King Robert's death by goring. I've got my own opinions about it, but I'd like to save them for now and hear other ideas for why its so similar, and any other thoughts you have about it.
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