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  1. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    I'm not opposed to the idea that old men were sacrificed to create white walkers. They'd still be "seeding" or inseminating the new life. The books are filled with parallels, and a lot of those parallels are inverted, so while the ice side could be using humans at the end of their lives - preserving them in some perverted way - the fire side is the opposite and uses humans in the infancy of their lives - consuming the life in the fire. The Last Hero and his friends went in search of the Children to help them defeat the white walkers. The white walkers were in existence prior to their search, so they are not the origin. While its not clear if the Children had any part in creating the white walkers, they are given credit for showing the First Men how to defeat them. If the Children truly created the white walkers as weapons, why not allow a complete genocide? We also don't know if the white walkers of old "herded" humanity, though that may be the appearance in the current story. The men of the Watch at the Fist were attacked and then pursued by the white walkers and wights, and then the wildlings came afterward scavenging the dead. Even then the white walkers weren't "herding" the wildlings. They were leading the way.
  2. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Forgive me if this is too far off topic - to me it kind of goes along with what we are discussing, which is what is needed to hatch dragon eggs. I am thinking a live dragon could possibly hatch their own eggs, but I also think that humans can hatch dragon eggs if they have the right "seeds", and I believe that bastard children were called "dragonsseeds" because they thought it was perfectly acceptable to sacrifice these children in order to hatch the eggs. I'm going over this again, because something else occurred to me on the opposing side when applying ice to the magic recipe - white walkers. Recall the Nights King story when he gave his "seed" to the beautiful Other? What if Gilly's son, Monster is the "seed" that will be used to resurrect Jon as the Nights King? Edited to add: a sacrificed child can be called a "seed" if it acts like semen does when fertilizing an egg. I'm sure you've all instinctively understood that, but I thought I would spell it out, because it really seems to hit home that whenever GRRM is calling something a "seed" it's really code for a sacrifice - something sacrificed in order to "birth" something else.
  3. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    I think these are perfect examples of how prophecies and symbolism can be expressed, and not typically how you'd expect.
  4. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    They hatched on Dragonstone which was built with fire and sorcery. The Valyrians knew how to liquify stone. Sheepstealer and Cannibal weren't discovered as eggs and given to Targaryens to bond with, but perhaps one of the living dragons cultivated them until they hatched? I don't think the eggs will hatch if left alone.
  5. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    What I am wondering is if the elderly First Men were sacrificed to create white walkers rather than dragons.
  6. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    The Targaryens were very secretive about how the eggs could be hatched, but when Aegon II heard that Morning "hatched" he desperately tried to hatch dragon eggs - which sounds like something deliberate needs to be done. Unless a living dragon is capable of hatching eggs? But you'd think when there were living dragons that they in turn would have had multiple egg hatchings.
  7. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    How can you be so confident that two kings weren't sacrificed for every dragon born? It's not like there ever was very many of them at one time. I think bastard children became more commonly sacrificed and were referred to as "dragonseed". What is a seed if not to grow or germinate something? If the old First Men and wildling tradition of the elderly men leaving the house to go off and die was a thing, then surely it's within the realm of possibility that an aged dragonlord would allow himself to be sacrificed along with a bastard child in order to hatch a dragon egg - especially if he believed he would be transformed into a dragon.
  8. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Ninja'd by Tucu, but exactly what I would have said. There does seem to be a "recipe" for hatching dragon eggs. The Targaryens once knew the secrets of the dragonlords and built Maegor's Holdfast and the Red Keep with secret passages in order to contain those secrets. Some of the ingredients have popped up separately from each other, such as the power of kings blood and that two kings are required to wake the dragon. King Aegon V had both Prince Aerys II and a pregnant Rhaella at Summerhal when the tragedy occurred. Aerys II, Rhaella, and newborn Rhaegar survived, but King Aegon V, Prince Duncan, Ser Duncan, and likely Jenny of Oldstones, did not. They perished in the flames. King Aegon V believed if he could hatch dragon eggs that he could bring lasting peace to the realm. Looking at the list of people in attendance and comparing them to what worked for Dany, it does look like Aegon intended for Aerys II, Rhaella, and Rhaegar to be part of the ritual, only instead of sacrificing Aerys II and Rhaegar, he sacrificed himself and his son, Duncan. Perhaps Aerys II was safe, because he wasn't in the direct line of inheritance, because after the tragedy Jaehaerys became king. It does suggest, however, that Jenny of Oldstones was perhaps pregnant when she died.
  9. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    It's an interesting theory and would help with the father and son dying in sequential order or at least at the same time. When Drogo is "saved" through the tent ritual he was in a zombie-like state. It was if he wasn't really alive nor was he really dead, but he also wasn't animated like Coldhands or Lady Stoneheart.
  10. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    I don’t think so, because the Targaryens were only one family that were dragonlords. Many other Valyrians successfully hatched dragon eggs.
  11. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Did he? I think you're thinking of Mirri's resurrection causing Rhaego's death and that Dany smothered him after? He was already dead or dying of corruption. If he wasn't already dead, why would she need to "bring him back"? Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I think technically Drogo was dead, then resurrected, then killed a second time. Maybe they just need to die together?
  12. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    That she successfully managed to hatch dragons could be considered evidence that Bran could have hatched the white walkers - or at least someone else if they also were trained to become a greenseer, which I suspect Euron at one time was. Although Euron also claims he drank the same blue liquid Dany did and managed to obtain a barrel of it, which he continues to drink from. Why drink it if there's no access to the black barked trees? Maybe unlike the weirwoods you don't have to be physically connected to them? While the books do have many parallels there are also lots of examples of inversions, and this may be one of them. Instead of trying to trap Bran they want him to stay of his own free will and help them. Exactly as Leaf would have us believe. Funny you should mention the color "grey", because it's also a color associated with maesters, as in Lady Barbary calling them "grey rats". I have brought up the idea before that Rickard Stark may have converted to the Faith of the Seven and became a knight, going so far as to also wanting his sons to become knights by sending Ned at the age of eight to Jon Arryn to be his squire along side Robert Baratheon, and then securing a marriage alliance with the Tullys - another southern house that practices the Faith and knighthood - when Brandon was around 12 years old. Being that this is a full six or more years before the Rebellion, his actions don't appear to be connected to some secret conspiracy, but rather of a man that earned his spurs after being influenced by the grey rat, Maester Walys. This is actually what I have come to believe is the real meaning of "southron ambitions". Rickard adopted Andal ways. I believe Bran's desire to become a knight was part of Maester Luwin's influence, but Jojen and Meera were sent to put a stop to that and broke the "grey" chains of the Faith. Dany proved that it is important to kill first the father and then the son so that both die as kings as being important to the dragon egg hatching ritual. Then you have to burn the woods witch/priestess in their funeral pyre. This is the recipe when working with fire. There aren't four or more kinds of magic. Magic is magic. The only difference is the recipe used to get different results, but there is a commonality and that is sacrifice. Death is required to pay for the different sort of life. It does appear that the Black Gate is new enough to have been installed when the Common Tongue was adopted, which hints towards an Andal takeover - a theory much discussed under the Heresy umbrella. Yes, it would appear Winterfell is warded against water. I'm thinking your intention was to be humorous here, but IMO you are closer to the truth than you've imagined. Throughout the mythological stories of the past "water" has been weaponized and used in wards. It was the first weapon the Children used to discourage the First Men migration when they called down their hammer - breaking the Arm of Dorne, flooding the Neck, and perhaps creating the Iron Islands. The second use of water was to ward against air - the Storm God - and protect the humans that were now experimenting with magic at Storm's End. Elenei was just an analog to describe how man took magic to "wife". Winterfell too, has been warded against water, as JNR has pointed out - the crypts should be filled with water. The third use of water was the bringing about of an extended winter - which froze the water. The fourth use of water was to introduce air into the recipe to create white walkers. The fifth use of water, now paired with air, was to create the Wall.
  13. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Would you say his chains are broken then? I'm wondering if Jojen's greendream of a chained wolf was of the future and not of the present. It would appear that he's brought Bran to the cave of skulls to become chained.
  14. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    It hadn't dawned on me before (about the trees), but since you've pointed it out I'm quite on board.
  15. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    You bring up an interesting point, because Dany's entrance into the HOTU was very similar to Bran's entrance into the Children's cave. The blue drink that allowed Dany to see these past, present, and future visions - was this really all that different from the weirwood paste that wed Bran to the trees and allowed his access to the past, present, and future? The trees are slowly consuming Bloodraven and they will consume Bran in the same way. If Drogon sensed Dany's fear and helped her escape, why didn't Summer do the same and help Bran escape?
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