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  1. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 226 of wolves, dragons and other familiars

    How do you think Melisandre expected Stannis to wake dragons from stone? Do you think she carried dragon eggs from Dragonstone to the Wall?
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    Heresy 226 of wolves, dragons and other familiars

    Well, I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. I think “the dragon has three heads” and “child of three” are defined as three Targaryen siblings with one of them being the prince(ss) that was promised. The PTWP was meant to be a Targaryen who successfully hatched dragons, and it’s a foregone conclusion that they’d become the riders. Since Aemon mentioned a 1000 year old prophecy, I think there must be something additional that hasn’t yet been made clear. Maybe it does tie into Azor Ahai reborn? Maybe Lightbringer was a volcano and Nissa Nissa was the sacrifice that made it explode? The “great beast” that was slain may have been all the dragonlords.
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    Heresy 226 of wolves, dragons and other familiars

    Yes, I agree whatever was done happened 8000-10,000 years ago and allowing the Others to breach the Wall and infiltrate Westeros is part of setting things right. Preventing or twisting the prince that was promised prophecy was a proactive attempt to keep dragons from interfering. Let’s see that SSM. Can anyone help?
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    Bring this over to the new thread...
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    It is not clear if Aemon's words were intended to connect the prince that was promised with the coming War for the Dawn. It could have been a knee-jerk reaction to hearing that an icy horde was threatening to invade Westeros. A dragon would be a welcome weapon. The only people that conflate the prince that was promised with an old prophecy are Melisandre, Davos, and Samwell, and they are mixing him up with Azor Ahai - and again, it's in response to the expected threat growing north of the Wall. Azor Ahai killed a great beast with a flaming sword, and a flaming sword would also make a dandy weapon against an icy foe. Well, hold your horses:
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    Heresy 226 of wolves, dragons and other familiars

    Over the last three years my focus has been on deciphering the titled chapters, and I've never really had much interest in the Targaryens even before then, but the last Heresy thread made me realize that there did seem to be a concerted effort to stymie the prince that was promised prophecy from coming true. Previously I had suspected Aerys and Rhaella of sacrificing their own children in some secret dragonlord ritual down in Maegor's Holdfast, but now I'm equally of the mind that someone may have been poisoning Rhaella when she was pregnant, and poisoning the children that were born alive - someone sweet and gentle that wouldn't draw suspicion. Ashara, perhaps? Or whatever happened to Shiera Seastar? The old woods witch said the prince that was promised would be born of Aerys and Rhaella's line. They did successfully bring to adulthood three children, but the males are now dead. Rhaegar brought forth two children and was working on a third when his first two were murdered. But prophecy is a funny thing and if something is destined to happen, it will find a way to manifest. Daenerys is the princess that was promised, and as promised she hatched three dragons from eggs that people believed were "stone". She is a child of three, because she had two living brothers. That's the "three". The "dragon" has three heads. IMO that means that the princess that was promised would have two siblings. Check. Now what? I suspect Bloodraven is Oz behind the curtain manipulating events in order to prevent his own family from hatching dragons - but why? Why is it so important to allow the Others to infiltrate the realm once more? I believe the Children feel there's a need to aright a past wrong and that it cannot be done if dragons were to swoop on in and interfere. Which makes me feel more confident that Daenerys will never even come to Westeros.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    That's the whole point of the prophecy. The Targaryens wanted to know if and when they'd be able to hatch live dragons again and the woods witch told them that the person that would be able to do that would be an offspring of Aerys and Rhaella. This person is the prince/princess that was promised. I agree. Maester Aemon only threw his two cents in, because he was familiar with that prophecy.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    Whether it’s waking dragons from stone or hatching eggs - a quick aside, the eggs themselves are the stones - in any case the end result is the same. The Targaryen’s desperately wanted to figure out how to get living dragons again.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    I don’t think the direwolves initiate the wolf dreams. It’s said that the third eye flutters open when the skinchanger is sleeping. It’s basically an accident.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    This is very strange. Which part of her is exulting, which has a memory of the Trident? This seems to me to be a separate consciousness from Dany. I believe this passage is evidence that there were forces at play that were trying to prevent the prince that was promised prophecy from coming true. I know it's a round about way, but the passage that you've shared seems like Rhaegar's consciousness is inside Daenerys and they both realize that they were robbed of a victory on the Trident. There was a significant gap between Rhaegar and Viserys and a very long gap between Viserys and Daenerys. I think we may need to consider that all of Rhaella's miscarriages, stillborns, and infant deaths may have actually been the results of sabotage. Perhaps someone was poisoning Rhaella so that she and Aerys would never have three children? During my chapter analysis of the titled chapters, which I believe are chapters that tell two stories - one of the present and one from the past - I came across a passage that didn't make sense to me a few years ago, but make more sense now with regards to the possibility of Rhaella's offspring being poisoned. Here's the passage: During this same conversation, Nymeria also brought up that Ser Daemon informed her of the poison that Oberyn used on the spear that tickled Gregor. The implication being that Tyene would be able to poison Cersei, Jaime, Tywin, and Tommen and no one would ever suspect her, because she is so sweet and gentle. The inversion parallel for the past suggests that there was a person in court using poison as a weapon. Rhaella's miscarriages, etc became so troubling that Aerys began to suspect her of affairs and/or killing her own children, so he had her sleep with two septas to keep her pregnancies safe. Is it possible the "sweet and gentle" septas are to blame?
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    This is a good idea, however I think there are already human spirits inside the dragons. Do you think each dragon needs three human consciousnesses? Drogon seems to have Khal Drogo's consciousness, but this is also the dragon that Dany seems to be bonded to the most. She herself may be an undead creature and part of her own consciousness may be in there too. Dany named Viserion after her brother Viserys. I guess his consciousness could have gone into the egg, but Mirri may be in there too. Rhaegal was named after her brother Rhaegar. I don't know how the egg could have captured his consciousness, but her stillborn son Rhaego may be in there. Rhaegal was the dragon that bathed Quentyn Martell with fire, so if your theory is correct, Qyentyn's consciousness may be inside Rhaegal.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    I think the Targaryens were looking for: 1) A descendent of Aerys and Rhaella, who 2) Would have two siblings, and 3) The three would marry, and 4) Produce the prince that was promised, which means they’d be able to successfully hatch three dragons that they would bond with and ride. Daenerys is Aerys and Rhaella’s daughter and Aemon declared her the princess that was promised, but her siblings are dead, so now characters and readers assume that the prophecy will still be fulfilled through marriage to Targaryen bastards or taking on learned advisors. I think the prophecy has been “frustrated” for lack of a better word. It cannot be fulfilled to the letter, but that doesn’t mean that it won’t morph or be expressed in an unexpected way. The dragons have hatched, but maybe there will be three people controlling a single dragon.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    When I don’t have my own theory on a particular point or don’t see any glaring reason to disagree with a theory - especially if I don’t know of any text that would clearly discredit someone’s idea, I don’t call somebody out simply to be disagreeable, which is how your comments read to me. My understanding of what LynnS said was that she has doubts that the three heads have to be related dragon riders and she brought up some good points. 1) Rhaegar thought his children could become the three heads if he had one more child, but he never even had living dragons! 2) The Targaryens were looking for three siblings, and since Rhaella suffered through several miscarriages and stillborns after Viserys, it may have looked like she was never going to produce a third that would live. It’s probably why Rhaegar and Aemon thought that the prophecy must have applied to his children. 3) Aegon was married to his sisters. Daenerys doesn’t have living brothers to marry. Even if Jon turns out to be Rhaegar’s son, he’s not her brother - he’d be her nephew, and if he’s to be her husband, who is the other one? 4) If Jon is Rhaegar’s son, he’s missing two siblings too! Rhaenys and Aegon are dead! I think concluding that Daenerys will marry two men and fulfill the requirements for the “three heads” IS the “jump”. It doesn’t follow precedent, and there aren’t enough existing factors for it to materialize.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    The concept of dualities has been fully demonstrated throughout the series. Black and white. Bronze and iron. Weirwood and ebony. Male and female. Sun and moon. Day and night. Summer and winter. Heads and tails. Bloodraven and Euron. Ravens and crows. Say what you will about Bloodraven, but IMO I think the books have set him up to be a just and righteous man. He's the "good" wizard and the theme of having two sides to every coin dictates that we must have a "bad" wizard.
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    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    I'm assuming you meant executive branch?
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