JonCon's Red Beard Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Yes, I'm quoting myself :P :To be fair, the betrothal of Cat and Brandon already put Hoster in a position to be seen as a traitor or confabulated against the crown. Why was Robert's head in danger? Maybe because Brandon went and say something like "SHE WAS GOING TO MARRY HIIIIIIM!". If Aerys had remembered in that moment that Brandon was going to marry Cat, he could have asked for Hoster's head too.I'm speculating here, but we were given a reason why Aerys wanted Robert's head too? Ned, I get it, he was the Lord now. But why Robert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perplexed_mind Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 quote much obliged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Yes, I'm quoting myself :P : I'm speculating here, but we were given a reason why Aerys wanted Robert's head too? Ned, I get it, he was the Lord now. But why Robert? All we can do is speculate. I can't imagine Robert kept quiet about Rhaegar crowning his fiance at Harrenhal. Maybe Varys told Aerys that Robert had made threats against him or something. Or maybe Varys just told Aerys how close Ned and Robert were and that coupled with his being engaged to Lyanna was enough to make Aerys worry. Either way we can probably safely blame Varys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 All we can do is speculate. I can't imagine Robert kept quiet about Rhaegar crowning his fiance at Harrenhal. Maybe Varys told Aerys that Robert had made threats against him or something. Or maybe Varys just told Aerys how close Ned and Robert were and that coupled with his being engaged to Lyanna was enough to make Aerys worry. Either way we can probably safely blame Varys. Or Aerys' council. They were up to no good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 All we can do is speculate. I can't imagine Robert kept quiet about Rhaegar crowning his fiance at Harrenhal. Maybe Varys told Aerys that Robert had made threats against him or something. Or maybe Varys just told Aerys how close Ned and Robert were and that coupled with his being engaged to Lyanna was enough to make Aerys worry. Either way we can probably safely blame Varys.Varys and Illyrio had to have had a plan in place (the Aegon is who he believes he is folks don't need to read this), but as Pycelle said Robert was too strong and Ned noved too fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taenqyrhae Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 How did Jaqen get the dog to kill it's master at Harrenhall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 How did Jaqen get the dog to kill it's master at Harrenhall? “This paste is spiced with basilisk blood. It will give cooked flesh a savory smell, but if eaten it produces violent madness, in beasts as well as men. A mouse will attack a lion after a taste of basilisk blood.” Arya chewed her lip. “Would it work on dogs?” “On any animal with warm blood.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 What's the best explanation for the discrepancy between the number of swords... excuse me, "spears" Doran says Dorne can muster and the number of spears Quentyn says Dorne can muster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 What's the best explanation for the discrepancy between the number of swords... excuse me, "spears" Doran says Dorne can muster and the number of spears Quentyn says Dorne can muster? Daeron was trying to look his conquest more "glamourous" than what it really was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Daeron was trying to look his conquest more "glamourous" than what it really was?Yes that's what Doran tells Arianne. But if he told Arianne why didn't he tell Quentyn. And if he did why did Quentyn lie to Daenerys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Yes that's what Doran tells Arianne. But if he told Arianne why didn't he tell Quentyn. And if he did why did Quentyn lie to Daenerys? I buy a lot of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 There's a much simpler explanation, Quentyn was not at Sunspear to be told, and the Martells probably keep a very tight lip about their numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Brandon Badwater Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Does anyone know who the squire with Polliver was in ASOS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Does anyone know who the squire with Polliver was in ASOS?"When the time came to leave, he needed Arya’s help to get back up on Stranger. He had tied a strip of cloth about his neck and another around his thigh, and taken the squire’s cloak off its peg by the door. The cloak was green, with a green arrow on a white bend, but when the Hound wadded it up and pressed it to his ear it soon turned red." - ASoS p. 1034Green arrow on white bend is House Sarsfield. So a Sarsfield squire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarl the climber Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 "When the time came to leave, he needed Arya’s help to get back up on Stranger. He had tied a strip of cloth about his neck and another around his thigh, and taken the squire’s cloak off its peg by the door. The cloak was green, with a green arrow on a white bend, but when the Hound wadded it up and pressed it to his ear it soon turned red." - ASoS p. 1034Green arrow on white bend is House Sarsfield. So a Sarsfield squire.I think Shitmouth or Raff confirmed that the boy was a Sarsfeild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I think Shitmouth or Raff confirmed that the boy was a Sarsfeild.“Make up your mind,” said Jaime. “Who has the command here? Did Ser Gregor name a castellan?”“Polliver,” another man said, “only the Hound killed him, m’lord. Him and the Tickler both, and that Sarsfield boy.”The Hound again. “You know it was Sandor? You saw him?”“Not us, m’lord. That innkeep told us.” - AFfC p. 402 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Yes, I'm quoting myself [emoji14] : I'm speculating here, but we were given a reason why Aerys wanted Robert's head too? Ned, I get it, he was the Lord now. But why Robert?He was Aerys. Isn't that reason enough?In all seriousness, probably because Lyanna was betrothed to Robert. Perhaps it had been Aerys' believe that it was better to execute Robert before he could also come to KL screaming. Varys and Illyrio had to have had a plan in place (the Aegon is who he believes he is folks don't need to read this), but as Pycelle said Robert was too strong and Ned noved too fast. :lol:Which Pycelle quote are you talking about, though? What's the best explanation for the discrepancy between the number of swords... excuse me, "spears" Doran says Dorne can muster and the number of spears Quentyn says Dorne can muster?My take on it: Many people believe that the 50.000 swords and spears for Dorne is too high. Sure, King Daeron I won his Conquest, and bragged about it in a book he wrote himself, by making the dornish armies appear bigger than they were in truth. And certainly, logically, the Princes(ses) of Dorne have, ever since, kept up those lies, as it was rather usefull, keeping a bit of fear in your enemy. But consider the following two things: 1. Quentyn was send to Daenerys to form an alliance, to enlist her help, to make certain that Dorne would gain the means to defeat the Lannisters, and that they would benefit for their troubles. Lying to Daenerys about the size of your army, is the most stupid thing you can do. If Quentyn promises her an army of 50.000, and she arrives in Dorne to find 30.000, does anyone really think that she'll just shrug and say "Oh well.". 1000 more or less, that might make the difference. Imagine a difference of 20.000, or more..So Quentyn would have been completely honest to Daenerys. Another argument made in such cases is that, while Quentyn might have believed he was telling the truth, he was simply repeating what Doran had told him, and that Doran had simply been lying. Why on earth would Doran do such a thing?I mean, upon discovering a lie as grand as such a lie, would any Martell expect Dany not to get angry? She has fire breathing dragons at her disposal, and lying about your army is a certain way to piss off this young, proud Queen. Should Dorne have lied to her, it would be a certainty that reprecussions would follow. And seeing as how Doran thinks everything through a lot, it is highly unlikely he never gave any thought to how Daenerys would respond to such lies, had he been plannig to tell one. 2. Something else, that I never actually have seen anyone consider on thread, is that we are talking about a man who has been plotting a war for seventeen years. Sure, the princes of Dorne have been lying about their numbers for more than 100 years.. But Doran knew that one day, he would be at war again, that he would need an army to fight against House Lannister, and that House Lannister has a lot of men to spare. And a period of 17 years is quite some time to secretly prepare, to subtely make your army bigger, to train more men. Now, I'm not suggesting that Doran threw a spear or a sword in the hand of every child and made him train. But sending Oberyn around to inspire more smallfolk to train in arms? To inspire more knights/fighters to train their children? And to enlist the help of others, friends of old who can provide you with a few thousand men, should you be in need.. (I'll be talking about Doran's friends in my analysis in 2 weeks, ;) ). We are talking about a man who has been preparing a war for 17 years.. Yet no one seems to have ever considered the possibility that he might actually have been preparing not only himself and his family, but his entire kingdom for this war. And for his vengeance. Yes that's what Doran tells Arianne. But if he told Arianne why didn't he tell Quentyn. And if he did why did Quentyn lie to Daenerys?In which case Quentyn didn't lie.Honestly, you are sending your son out to a young girl with three dragons, who will be quite large when Westeros is finally reached. Firebreathing dragons. At what point does it sound like a smart idea to lie about the numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Yes, I'm quoting myself :P : I'm speculating here, but we were given a reason why Aerys wanted Robert's head too? Ned, I get it, he was the Lord now. But why Robert?We don't know what passed between Rickard and Aerys once Rickard arrived in KL. All manner of escalation might have gone on, which brought both the Ned and Robert into the conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Brandon Badwater Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 How does maester Aemon KNOW the real lightbringer radiates heat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 1. Quentyn was send to Daenerys to form an alliance, to enlist her help, to make certain that Dorne would gain the means to defeat the Lannisters, and that they would benefit for their troubles. Lying to Daenerys about the size of your army, is the most stupid thing you can do. If Quentyn promises her an army of 50.000, and she arrives in Dorne to find 30.000, does anyone really think that she'll just shrug and say "Oh well.". 1000 more or less, that might make the difference. Imagine a difference of 20.000, or more.. This may not be that big of an issue. It's not as if she's gonna fly over and perform a census of the men Dorne has. I'm reminded of this SSM: In an e-mail to a fan a few years back GRRM stated that Dorne could raise roughly the same number of troops as the North and the Vale. Is this still true? Did not technically answer the question. He mentioned the size difference between the North and Dorne and talked about the climates for each. He also mentioned that Dorne likes to exaggerate their numbers a bit so as not to seem militarily weak to the other great houses. Reminded us that the men in Westeros have medieval type education. Not every man can count, not every man can read. Gave the example of different mens viewpoints regarding the same army. The first mans count would be 10,000 men. The second man seeing the same host would say it was 5,000... http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Category/C92/P105 How does maester Aemon KNOW the real lightbringer radiates heat? He read it in the Jade Compendium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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