corbon Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Lost Melnibonean said: Does Rickon chew his lip? Arya, Jon and Robb do. So probably, but not that we've seen I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Anna Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Which combined reading order of Feast/Dance would you recommend?? The boiled leather version or the ''a feast with dragons'' version? I've read the books following the latter, but the former seems more faithful to the timeline, at least from just reading the chapter order (a feast with dragons has Jon I before Aeron I, but isn't the latter the earliest chapter, chronologically?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wondering Wolf Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Where does the term 'Faith Militant uprising' come from? It is used so widely. but I can not find a single reference in the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbon Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 6 hours ago, The Wondering Wolf said: Where does the term 'Faith Militant uprising' come from? It is used so widely. but I can not find a single reference in the books. Quote "—could be undone." She let that hang there, waiting for the High Sparrow to rise to the bait. He did not disappoint her. "The Faith Militant reborn . . . that would be the answer to three hundred years of prayer, Your Grace. The Warrior would lift his shining sword again and cleanse this sinful realm of all its evil. If His Grace were to allow me to restore the ancient blessed orders of the Sword and Star, every godly man in the Seven Kingdoms would know him to be our true and rightful lord." Thats in AFFC. It is also used more than half a dozen times in TWoIaF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wondering Wolf Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 52 minutes ago, corbon said: Thats in AFFC. It is also used more than half a dozen times in TWoIaF. That was not my question, though. I know the term 'Faith Militant', I was just wondering where the 'Faith Militant uprising' came from. As far as I know it is never used in the books, but it is the name of the wiki entry and many people use it. Why not 'Faith Militant rebellion' or 'rebellion of the Faith'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 9 hours ago, The Wondering Wolf said: Where does the term 'Faith Militant uprising' come from? It is used so widely. but I can not find a single reference in the books. I think it goes back to interviews and talks George gave after AFfC came out. I'm especially thinking about one hour-long interview about religious stuff where George really laid out what he tried to accomplish with the sparrow movement in AFfC. It is there that he stresses the fact that before the Conquest there were many kings but only one High Septon. But no guarantee that it is from such source. Could also be from some RPG content. But we were using this specific term long before ADwD and TWoIaF if I'm not mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wondering Wolf Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Lord Varys said: But no guarantee that it is from such source. Could also be from some RPG content. But we were using this specific term long before ADwD and TWoIaF if I'm not mistaken. I searched through some RPGs, but only the A Song of Ice and Fire Campaign Guide says the 'Faith Militant rose up' two times, the other ones does not mention the Faith Militant at all. Maybe I can find the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 39 minutes ago, The Wondering Wolf said: I searched through some RPGs, but only the A Song of Ice and Fire Campaign Guide says the 'Faith Militant rose up' two times, the other ones does not mention the Faith Militant at all. Maybe I can find the video. The interview I remember wasn't a video but sound file - telephone interview, I think - from some year in the 2000s. @Ran Do you have any idea where the term 'Faith Militant Uprising' originated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis-something-Rose Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 How canon is the Campaign Guide, exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 19 hours ago, Alexis-something-Rose said: How canon is the Campaign Guide, exactly? The Campaign Guide is Green Ronin's, IIRC, which means they did not use GRRM as a source for their material according to the linked post. So not canon. Alexis-something-Rose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna<3Rhaegar Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 This is a small thing but I've always wondered about it. In aDwD, A Ghost in Winterfell: "The reek within the Great Hall was palpable by eventide. With hundreds of horses, dogs, and men squeezed underneath one roof, the floors slimy with mud and melting snow, horseshit, dog turds, and even human feces, the air redolent with the smells of wet dog, wet wool, and sodden horse blankets, there was no comfort to be found amongst the benches, but there was food." Why in the world, are there human feces?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbon Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 5 hours ago, Lyanna<3Rhaegar said: This is a small thing but I've always wondered about it. In aDwD, A Ghost in Winterfell: "The reek within the Great Hall was palpable by eventide. With hundreds of horses, dogs, and men squeezed underneath one roof, the floors slimy with mud and melting snow, horseshit, dog turds, and even human feces, the air redolent with the smells of wet dog, wet wool, and sodden horse blankets, there was no comfort to be found amongst the benches, but there was food." Why in the world, are there human feces?! Its too cold for some people to go out, I suspect. And they just don't care. Plus, GRRM is emphasising that the current inhabitants of Winterfell are... the arse-end of humanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna<3Rhaegar Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 28 minutes ago, corbon said: Its too cold for some people to go out, I suspect. And they just don't care. Plus, GRRM is emphasising that the current inhabitants of Winterfell are... the arse-end of humanity. Yuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 6 hours ago, Lyanna<3Rhaegar said: This is a small thing but I've always wondered about it. In aDwD, A Ghost in Winterfell: "The reek within the Great Hall was palpable by eventide. With hundreds of horses, dogs, and men squeezed underneath one roof, the floors slimy with mud and melting snow, horseshit, dog turds, and even human feces, the air redolent with the smells of wet dog, wet wool, and sodden horse blankets, there was no comfort to be found amongst the benches, but there was food." Why in the world, are there human feces?! Suggests lax discipline--not a canp Arthur Dayne would be proud of--in contrast to Stannis's reputation. Lyanna<3Rhaegar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neddy's Girl Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I've asked this somewhere before, but I was confused by the answer! If it was Rhaegar's intention to name his children for the conquerors, why did he start with the youngest? Why begin with Rhaenys not Visenya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Neddy's Girl said: I've asked this somewhere before, but I was confused by the answer! If it was Rhaegar's intention to name his children for the conquerors, why did he start with the youngest? Why begin with Rhaenys not Visenya? There is no reason to assume that it was Rhaegar's intention to name his children after the Conquerors. Therefore, it doesn't matter. Neddy's Girl and corbon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neddy's Girl Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ser Leftwich said: There is no reason to assume that it was Rhaegar's intention to name his children after the Conquerors. Therefore, it doesn't matter. Thanks. I do somewhat agree with that, but I have seen quite a few people make the argument that it was his intention due to his belief in prophecy, etc. I just wondered why it's thought, by some, that someone obsessed with prophecy would be unspecific in his naming scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna<3Rhaegar Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 36 minutes ago, Ser Leftwich said: There is no reason to assume that it was Rhaegar's intention to name his children after the Conquerors. Therefore, it doesn't matter. No reason to assume but there is indication no? He named 2 children after 2 of the 3 Conquerors. Of course that doesn't prove anything but it is curious. Neddy's Girl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lyanna<3Rhaegar said: No reason to assume but there is indication no? He named 2 children after 2 of the 3 Conquerors. Of course that doesn't prove anything but it is curious. He did. But apparently didn’t care about the order, which is curious as well. Also, we have nothing in the text pointing to Rhaegar wanting to name his kids after the 3 conquerors. And there are so many Aegons anyway... in fact, most of the Targ names, especially male names, are repeated a lot. And they’re all impossible to keep straight - to me, that is. Lyanna<3Rhaegar and Neddy's Girl 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael's Bastard Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 33 minutes ago, Neddy's Girl said: Thanks. I do somewhat agree with that, but I have seen quite a few people make the argument that it was his intention due to his belief in prophecy, etc. I just wondered why it's thought, by some, that someone obsessed with prophecy would be unspecific in his naming scheme. One could argue that Rhaegar was reversing the order because Rhaenys, not Visenya, was his ancestor. We won't really know until/unless we find out what Rhaegar intended to name a third child. Personally, I'm not sold Rhaegar was going for naming his children after all three or the Targaryen Conquerors. Maybe he intended to have a third child named Aenys? Or Orys? Then again, we don't know if prophecy associates particular names or name components to the PTWP and/or the three heads of the dragon. Neddy's Girl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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