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2 minutes ago, divica said:

what is he suposed to say? that he has the books in his basement? LOL

"Just putting the final touches to it" [i.e. re-writing it from start to finish in the light of the flaming the show's gotten!] :spank:

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1 minute ago, House Cambodia said:

"Just putting the final touches to it" [i.e. re-writing it from start to finish in the light of the flaming the show's gotten!] :spank:

Grrm has stoped saying if he is close to finish the books for years… But all the specialists thought he finished winds a couple months ago... With luck it is being edited and he will anounce it sometime soon

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1 minute ago, Jabar of House Titan said:

Since when did dragonfire have explosive force?

Last time I checked, it melts stone. It doesn't blast it to pieces.

Completely silly. If the dragonfire had ignited the stores of wildfire and THAT had exploded the building, it would have been completely credible.

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18 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

Fore sure.  People who think that Dany won't turn tyrant in the books are fooling themselves, which given that GRRM probably never finishes, I guess they can fool themselves forever, LOL. 

The show's biggest problem with Dany is they always framed her killing people as a #badass, justifiable moment, with the sole exception of the Tarlys, which we see Varys and Tyrion are upset.  They should have been sending mixed signals about her all along, and they should have given her a few more kills that were disapproved of by other characters and seen by the audience as the wrong move.  You saw people defending her murder of the Tarlys too, even though the show did portray that as a mistake.

Their second biggest problem is that they really needed 20 episodes to tell the back end of the story and given Dany a whole season to become angry, paranoid and isolated, not a couple of scenes.  Emilia has done a fantastic job with mad queen dany though, I have to hand it to her, too bad she's not get an Emmy now because the show has become so controversial among the fanbase.

I haven't seen anyone that has put forward an argument that it isn't what will happen in the books. The crux of the issue people have with that action by Dany in the show is it wasn't foreshadowed correctly or developed on the show to the degree it would need to be convincing or authentic to the established character. It is clearly rushed and haphazzard. If George hadn't written a storm of swords by the time season 3 came around, nobody would say the red wedding was off beat or disingenuous, shocking yes but not an abrupt change in morality and motivation like we have with Daenerys actions in the bells.

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The thing that really irritates me about this whole thing in season 8 are these stupid asertions these advisors force feed the audience all of a sudden, Varys telling Tyrion that "our queen does not share power" oh really? why did she marry Hizdar zo Loraq? and before someone says She would be the Queen and he would have just been her husband. That is an incredibly powerful position so much so that Queen Elizabeth I was adamant She would not marry because her power would be usurped by any husband she might have. If she was so unwilling to share power why did she give away one of her kingdoms to Yara Greyjoy. It is all very idiotic and one of those continuing themes that the writers feel if they feed it to the audience enough times they will just accept it as truth.

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1 hour ago, Cas Stark said:

So I guess Cersei's last pregnancy was only to make fans feel sorry for her in the end?  It didn't have any other use in the plot because Euron never even got a scene to react to the fact that she played him.  It was for us to be sad that the mommy to be was going to die.  What an awful end to great character.

And the thing is, good writers could make the character more sympathetic, so as to keep things within the grey spectrum, and it could have worked. But David and Dan can’t write for shit, as we know. So we end up w/ a villainous ice queen who has done the most despicable things possible, but they want us to feel for her, hence Best. Mum. Evah. stupidity.

In a way, it’s not very different from other ideas of theirs that could have worked in the hands of proper writers. For instance, Ollie. Ollie could have worked, and it didn’t because their writing is so appallingly bad. Instead of being a genuinely interesting creation that could have added to the plot at the Wall, he became this annoying kid who kept giving Jon the evil eye until it soon became apparent he’d be in on the stabbing. Same thing w/ Karsi, who could have been an interesting new character, but instead was there for 2mins just to tug at the viewers’ heartstrings. 

It’s cheap, manipulative, and crappy writing; in other words, David and Dan to a T. 

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59 minutes ago, divica said:

Grrm has stoped saying if he is close to finish the books for years… But all the specialists thought he finished winds a couple months ago... With luck it is being edited and he will anounce it sometime soon

I'm really hoping he was waiting for the show to have its moment in the sun, then he'll announce it's finished.

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1 hour ago, divica said:

I think you are talking about book danny or the danny in essos becoming a tyrant. That may be possible.

But in season 7 we see how she interacts with the westerosi and how she acts. That danny had the support of dorne and the reach, she didn t want to be queen of ashes, acepted the enemy soldiers as long as they kneeled, was willing to abandon the fight for the IT to defend the north without jon bending the knee, listens to jon's advice about how to use her dragons… There are several instances that support that even if she has a mean streak she isn t a monster.

Wether it is grrm's finale or not, after what they did in s7 this ending just doesn t fit in their story! If they knew they were going this way then s7 doesn t make any sense! 

It makes sense to the Ds because they needed to build in the exact OPPOSITE direction of logic and character development because shock is so much more important than logic.  It's the reason the show has been such a disaster for the last few seasons.  To the point where even the big shocking turns aren't big and shocking anymore.

There's a thing said in wrestling circles, "If everyone's special, nobody's special."  Well, I'd like to paraphrase that for the Ds.  "If every moment is shocking, no moment is shocking."

The shock has stopped mattering.  Now it's just pretty pictures of characters that used to exist set against what should be horrifying backdrops, but aren't because, much like the people in charge, we just can't be bothered to care.

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GRRM has just shot down all the people saying he had finished not just TWOW but also ADOS. On his not a blog, he said he's still working on TWOW. So it comes when it comes, and I'll happily read it. I think by the end of this month, I will completely put the show out of my mind, and just go back to obsessing about the books. (Though I have no interest in venturing in the General Asoiaf thread any time soon)

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1 hour ago, divica said:

Grrm has stoped saying if he is close to finish the books for years… But all the specialists thought he finished winds a couple months ago... With luck it is being edited and he will anounce it sometime soon

Which “specialists” are you referring to? Also, Martin has said a million million times that when he finishes writing he will announce on NaB. Not after it’s sent to the publisher, not after it’s been edited, but when he finishes writing. Same as he did w/ Dance (and maybe Feast but I don’t remember that far back :D )

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Just now, kissdbyfire said:

Which “specialists” are you referring to? Also, Martin has said a million million times that when he finishes writing he will announce on NaB. Not after it’s sent to the publisher, not after it’s been edited, but when he finishes writing. Same as he did w/ Dance (and maybe Feast but I don’t remember that far back :D )

I remember a lot of noise from people talking about how he only goes to some cabin or whatever it was when he is close to finishing a book. When I am talking about specialist I am refering to these people that seem to investigate grrm's life...

But after fire and blood something seemed to shift. Grrm started talking about finishing the series and refering winds in interviews… Hell, he even talked about unicorns in asoiaf! How long has it been since he talked about new content of his books?

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58 minutes ago, darksellsword said:

The thing that really irritates me about this whole thing in season 8 are these stupid asertions these advisors force feed the audience all of a sudden, Varys telling Tyrion that "our queen does not share power" oh really? why did she marry Hizdar zo Loraq? and before someone says She would be the Queen and he would have just been her husband. That is an incredibly powerful position so much so that Queen Elizabeth I was adamant She would not marry because her power would be usurped by any husband she might have. If she was so unwilling to share power why did she give away one of her kingdoms to Yara Greyjoy. It is all very idiotic and one of those continuing themes that the writers feel if they feed it to the audience enough times they will just accept it as truth.

Actually it seems that Jon has a problem in accepting  Dany as a lover and not the other way around. So I guess Vary's words were there for us to understand that he is probably lying and just asks for excuses to be burnt. 

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The theories about him having both books finished are absolutely moronic. I'm glad he finally wrote something about it since its being going on for years and it got so out of hand even people who never read the books started saying it as fact. 

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31 minutes ago, Corvinus said:

GRRM has just shot down all the people saying he had finished not just TWOW but also ADOS. On his not a blog, he said he's still working on TWOW. So it comes when it comes, and I'll happily read it. I think by the end of this month, I will completely put the show out of my mind, and just go back to obsessing about the books. (Though I have no interest in venturing in the General Asoiaf thread any time soon)

Exactly.  We can reset to book mode once this travesty of a show is over.  I'm looking forward to it.

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25 minutes ago, Nightwish said:

Actually it seems that Jon has a problem in accepting  Dany as a lover and not the other way around. So I guess Vary's words were there for us to understand that he is probably lying and just asks for excuses to be burnt. 

Who is he lying to Tyrion or himself? They're both aware that Dany gave away power in both those instances I pointed out. The show has constantly done these irrational  implausible conversations. I remember when we saw Varys traveling from Essos with Daenerys by ship at the very least from Dorne which would've been weeks, days or months but they apparently only ever discussed Varys allegiances for the first time when they are in the chamber of the painted table.

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5 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

You mean other than the times she explicitly said that’s what she’d do?  

Her heel turn was rushed, I’ll give you that, but it was always clear with the benefit of hindsight that Dany was going to raze King’s Landing.

Was that this season?  I am not surprised if she said it this season; I would be very surprised if she said something like that in prior seasons.  Please let me know when she said that; in all sincereity, I always try to get countervailing info (ie: I once got RIPSHIT when, in the show, the Greatjon referred to Eddard as "Ned" as opposed to "Lord Stark" saying that the book would NEVER do something like that ... only to have it pointed out to me that he said it in the book).  

I don't ever remember her saying she would raise KL prior to this year,

And even with that said, it's one thing to raise a city that's in open defiance to you; it's another thing to raise a city that has completely surrendered to you.  

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5 minutes ago, darksellsword said:

Who is he lying to Tyrion or himself? They're both aware that Dany gave away power in both those instances I pointed out. The show has constantly done these irrational  implausible conversations. I remember when we saw Varys traveling from Essos with Daenerys by ship at the very least from Dorne which would've been weeks, days or months but they apparently only ever discussed Varys allegiances for the first time when they are in the chamber of the painted table.

Well even Vary's betrayal was done clumsy by the writers. He does what he does in one episode and he is also executed. That's very fast. I don't think that writers even cared what Varys will say at that point. He has to say something to support himself for the betrayal and us to blame him. 

 

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This whole thing is a mess.

How on Earth do David Benioff and D.B. Weiss think that they will be successful at "turning around" Star Wars?

The Last Jedi is a poignant masterpiece compared to this season of Game of Thrones. I can't believe that they needed two years to make this season.

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