Fury Resurrected Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Proceed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 So has Trump pulled out of the third debate or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/20/voters-want-senate-to-choose-coronavirus-stimulus-over-supreme-court.html Very interesting polls here. It shows Biden doing better in Florida thanhe is in literally Pennsylvania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Prince of Dorne Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Update: Trump has a Chinese bank account that had a whole lot of money flow through it after he took office. Also, he has paid more in taxes to China than the U.S. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/trump-taxes-china.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage Quote In 2017, the company reported an unusually large spike in revenue — some $17.5 million, more than the previous five years’ combined. It was accompanied by a $15.1 million withdrawal by Mr. Trump from the company’s capital account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarich II Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Well, no wonder Trump hates China, he actually has to pay taxes there. This is outrageous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 He's doing a good job of draining the swamp. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/elliott-broidy-plea/2020/10/20/c41ae12c-125a-11eb-ad6f-36c93e6e94fb_story.html Quote Major Republican Party and Trump fundraiser Elliott Broidy pleaded guilty Tuesday to acting as an unregistered foreign agent, admitting to accepting millions of dollars to secretly lobby the Trump administration for Malaysian and Chinese interests. In a plea deal, Broidy, who helped raise millions for President Trump’s campaign before serving as the Republican National Committee’s national deputy finance chair, agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in exchange for a recommendation of leniency at sentencing and to forfeit $6.6 million. Justice Department officials called Broidy and his co-conspirators’ secret work on behalf of the ringleader of a Malaysian government scandal and a Chinese security official a case study of foreign governments’ efforts to influence U.S. policy while hiding behind politically influential proxies. Good to see he's getting leniency, must be very deserving of it...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gertrude Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 @Gaston de Foix in answer to your question Quote Gertrude, what's your sense, is Greenfield going to pull it off? I feel like Iowa nice is still a thing, so maybe they will find Ernst's negative campaigning off-putting, but Idk. I don't honestly know. I've talked about it before. I live in eastern Iowa which is more blue than the western part, so I'm kind of in a bubble. Looking around me and talking to people, I'd say yes. Then again, Western Iowa kept voting Steve King back in office, so *shrug* I'm hopeful but not confident. @Chataya de Fleury on the price of corn and beans ... maybe? Yeah, Iowa is an ag state and this is obviously important, but I don't know if it resonates with non-farmers. I think it's funny and another reason not to vote Ernst, but if it were Greenfield doing that I wouldn't care because it doesn't touch on my livelihood. Farmers are generally pretty solidly red to begin with and Ernst flubbing that question probably doesn't outweigh the fear of socialists and communists, ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartIheartTesla Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/20/voters-want-senate-to-choose-coronavirus-stimulus-over-supreme-court.html Very interesting polls here. It shows Biden doing better in Florida thanhe is in literally Pennsylvania. Well, you'll be happy that Suffolk University (an A grade pollster) has Biden up by +6 in PA today. Other national polls remain in the +10 range for Biden today as well (including Survey USA, another A level pollster) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, IheartIheartTesla said: Well, you'll be happy that Suffolk University (an A grade pollster) has Biden up by +6 in PA today. Other national polls remain in the +10 range for Biden today as well (including Survey USA, another A level pollster) Meh not really. The poll fell just under 50% for Biden and showed a whole litany of undecided that could break for trump again by Election Day. If Biden was 7 or 8 points ahead and over 50% in Pennsylvania I would concede Biden’s chanced of victory are strong there. I still believe it will come down to a thousand votes if Biden wins or loses the state(which I do believe will happen unfortunately). I mean I've already voted and been volunteering as much as could even in my little California suburb, but yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Marsha Blackburn is on CNBC basically saying that if Pelosi and the WH come to a stimulus deal agreement, she expects the Senate bill to be tabled again. The interviewer tried over and over to get her to say whether or not she would support a WH deal, until finally she said she would not support bailing out badly run cities and states and spending money on things that have nothing to do with Covid-19, and, of course, businesses have to have liability protection. So much for Trump getting the Senate to agree to a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 To go back to the earlier discussion of district polling... So, basically, the polls they're releasing are those that the congressional candidates think show them doing well -- winning their election, or improving greatly on Trump or the predecessor in the last election, or what have you -- but inevitably also showing Trump is doing worse than they are and Biden is the one winning. They have cut Trump loose, hence it does not bother them to show that he is losing, so long as they believe they can show confidence in their own campaigns. And as Enten notes, they are releasing the most favorable polling for them. The internal polls that look worse for them -- which must look even worse for Trump -- are not getting out there. Short of believing some vast conspiracy among GOP candidates to hide a very valuable piece of information to their own detriment (because polling showing Trump winning would help lift their results rather than risk MAGA types not showing up at the polls), this is another piece of evidence that all the polling, even by his partisans, show his goose is cooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 56 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: If Biden was 7 or 8 points ahead and over 50% in Pennsylvania I would concede Biden’s chanced of victory are strong there. What a farcical statement. He needs to be 7 or 8 points up for you to "concede" he's got a strong chance of winning the state? I know 2016 traumatized us all, but this is like battered political junkie syndrome or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 54 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: Marsha Blackburn is on CNBC basically saying that if Pelosi and the WH come to a stimulus deal agreement, she expects the Senate bill to be tabled again. The interviewer tried over and over to get her to say whether or not she would support a WH deal, until finally she said she would not support bailing out badly run cities and states and spending money on things that have nothing to do with Covid-19, and, of course, businesses have to have liability protection. So much for Trump getting the Senate to agree to a deal. "Badly run cities and states" -- that is, the economic engines of this country that provide the tax revenue that Trump socializes and shovels to places like Blackburn's state. I'm so over ungrateful welfare queens like Marsha Blackburn, who'll take my money and then insult the hand that subsidizes their ignorance. Let's pass a law that states can only get back as much federal cash as they pay in and see how these rugged individualists do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said: "Badly run cities and states" -- that is, the economic engines of this country that provide the tax revenue that Trump socializes and shovels to places like Blackburn's state. I wonder how the people of Nashville, Memphis, Knoxville, Chattanooga, and Clarksville - cities all run by those dastardly Democrats - feel about such sentiments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartIheartTesla Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: Meh not really. The poll fell just under 50% for Biden and showed a whole litany of undecided that could break for trump again by Election Day. If Biden was 7 or 8 points ahead and over 50% in Pennsylvania I would concede Biden’s chanced of victory are strong there. I still believe it will come down to a thousand votes if Biden wins or loses the state(which I do believe will happen unfortunately). I mean I've already voted and been volunteering as much as could even in my little California suburb, but yeah. Well then, what about the Civiqs poll out of Florida that has Biden up 51-47 with no room for undecideds to upturn those results.. I mean, some people could change their minds, so there is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, DMC said: I wonder how the people of Nashville, Memphis, Knoxville, Chattanooga, and Clarksville - cities all run by those dastardly Democrats - feel about such sentiments. I'm sure they're irked, but at this point I think there are enough voters in suburbs and small towns in Tennessee who love to hate the cities (especially Memphis and Nashville) that it's not going to hurt anyone running in a statewide election there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Donald Trump, man of the people: Quote “Four or five months ago when we started this whole thing….before the plague came in, I had it made,” Trump said during a rally in Erie, Pennsylvania. “I wasn’t coming to Erie. I mean I have to be honest, there’s no way I was coming. I didn’t have to.” Unfortunately, the President complained to his supporters, the pesky COVID-19 pandemic that’s caused his approval ratings to plummet forced him to actually reach out to them. “And then we got hit with the plague, and I had to go back to work,” Trump said. “Hello, Erie. Can I please have your vote?” https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/bold-strategy-people-scratch-their-heads-over-trump-telling-pa-rallygoers-he-didnt-want-to-be-there How he became the darling of "ordinary Americans" is something I'll never understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonak Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said: Donald Trump, man of the people: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/bold-strategy-people-scratch-their-heads-over-trump-telling-pa-rallygoers-he-didnt-want-to-be-there How he became the darling of "ordinary Americans" is something I'll never understand. His voters don't listen to the words, they listen to the feelings his voices create. Trump's way of speaking has a strange charisma in it for a huge proportion of the population. In 2016 I showed my Trump coworker transcripts of the debate and asked him how Trump could have won. My coworker is an intelligent person (within his arena), and he yet he had to fall back on the "fake news" and drop the discussion when he couldn't make heads or tails out of the actual words Trump used. He had watched the debate, listened to Trump, but it didn't matter what Trump said because he wasn't listening to the words. If I was still religious I would swear up and down Trump was the antichrist and is using some magic brainwashing on them all at this point. But since I'm not, I have to concede that, probably unintentionally, Trump is just an incredibly good emotional talker, whatever you want to call it. He could stand up on stage and insult his audience and they'd still laugh and cheer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, Ormond said: I'm sure they're irked, but at this point I think there are enough voters in suburbs and small towns in Tennessee who love to hate the cities (especially Memphis and Nashville) that it's not going to hurt anyone running in a statewide election there. Definitely. Those are the five largest cities in the state, and they combine for about 1.8 million people, or about a quarter of Tennessee's population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, argonak said: If I was still religious I would swear up and down Trump was the antichrist and is using some magic brainwashing on them all at this point. But since I'm not, I have to concede that, probably unintentionally, Trump is just an incredibly good emotional talker, whatever you want to call it. He objectively really isn't. His nasal voice is like a nail scratching on a blackboard. I really find the pitch of his voice close to unbearable, and that's discounting the utter incoherent nonsense that is coming out of his mouth. I mean seriously this voice, what is that, a weird mixture of being chesty and nasal at the same time. The simpler answer is: Americans are really stupid. A more sophisticated answer was probably given by John Oliver four years ago. That the name Trump has been successfully branded as being synonym to, well, success. Which of course does not stand up to closer scrutiny. But brass is close enough to gold to pass on a very superficial look. Anyway, the point being, they bought into the press and are voting for the successful brand. However, the shorter and simpler answer does look equally appealing to me at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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