Twitter Twee: all your tweets are belong to chud

[Starkess]

So funnily enough, I joined Mastodon a while ago with my scicomm account but haven't checked it lately because I'm not running my scicomm channels right now. I decided to check it out again as I was considering starting a personal account there. But it turns out the instance I joined is no longer listed on the joinmastodon page, so I did some digging and it turns out that because that instance has a policy against de-federating other instances it's now considered too toxic and can't be listed on the mastodon landing page. I went down some reddit rabbit holes of people fighting about this instance and the founder and a Nazi-false-flag-LGBT account and then trying to found a union of instances but then stepping down from leading it because people were just arguing about him and this one instance...it's a lot!! People really just be drama-ing everywhere they go.

[mormont]

6 hours ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

Why would they do this? "To cut costs"? This is ass-swipe money for them. 

I would like to point out to the NY Times that not paying bills is not 'cutting costs'. You still have costs! You're just not paying them.

I'm off to explain to my electric provider my smart new management strategy and why it means their bill went in the bin.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

4 hours ago, JGP said:

 

 

[Gaston de Foix]

21 hours ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

For reference, Sean Parker once said that one of the biggest factors in the rise of Facebook was Myspace consistently and comprehensively screwing up. At its peak, Myspace was not just the biggest social media website; it was the biggest website, period. If they can go down, anything's possible. 

That said, I don't think twitter will die. I think Musk will eventually sell it at a loss (he can afford it) and find some way to blame his failure on someone else. "They just weren't getting what I was trying to do, man".

This is the question that mystifies me.  Why is no one building a twitter-lookalike without Elon?  Post seems like a very different animal (with a waitlist!), people say Mastodon is a shit show (haven't tried it).  Elon Twitter seems like new coke. and feels like the market for coke is still very much alive. 

[Maithanet]

4 minutes ago, Gaston de Foix said:

This is the question that mystifies me.  Why is no one building a twitter-lookalike without Elon?  Post seems like a very different animal (with a waitlist!), people say Mastodon is a shit show (haven't tried it).  Elon Twitter seems like new coke. and feels like the market for coke is still very much alive. 

Lots of people are trying.  Building something like that up to accommodate a user base of millions is not easy.  I believe one of the new competitors (Hive) had to take itself offline because of cybersecurity issues.

[mormont]

8 hours ago, mormont said:

I would like to point out to the NY Times that not paying bills is not 'cutting costs'. You still have costs! You're just not paying them.

I'm off to explain to my electric provider my smart new management strategy and why it means their bill went in the bin.

Unfortunately the electric company were not keen on this bold new cost cutting measure. Something about having 'signed a contract', being 'sued' and a visit from 'debt collectors'.

It's this sort of woke bureaucratic nonsense that is killing entrepeneurs. Do I owe them 'money'? Or have I just annoyed the notorious leftists in charge of Big Energy with my no-nonsense style?

[JGP]

20 minutes ago, Gaston de Foix said:

This is the question that mystifies me.  Why is no one building a twitter-lookalike without Elon?  Post seems like a very different animal (with a waitlist!), people say Mastodon is a shit show (haven't tried it).  Elon Twitter seems like new coke. and feels like the market for coke is still very much alive. 

My money is on Bouzy's Spoutible, but who knows.

Going to be an interesting time as everyone left of 'Nazi, who me' slowly steps out, leaving Twitter to duke it out with... Truth Social  

[Zorral]

50 minutes ago, Gaston de Foix said:

Why is no one building a twitter-lookalike

My question is why are you all fixated on a single system, which can always be bought out, taken over by the nazis and all the other deplorables, denial of service attacks etc?  Look at how easy it was to take out twitter itself!

Successful resistance to oppression, planning, organizing, strategizing, sharing information means many and variety, not one single blob.

[Larry of the Lawn]

8 minutes ago, Zorral said:

My question is why are you all fixated on a single system, which can always be bought out, taken over by the nazis and all the other deplorables, denial of service attacks etc?  Look at how easy it was to take out twitter itself!

Successful resistance to oppression, planning, organizing, strategizing, sharing information means many and variety, not one single blob.

Because no one is expecting a social media  platform to save the world or be the vector for anti-oppression, and with twitter's star dimming it makes sense to go to wherever most people are actually connected instead of 20 different places.  

[JGP]

 

Space Karen might have a list, and he's working on boosting voices that should not be.

Lawton works for True North, a Rebel News-like rag/thinktank/charity. 

So, what's interesting about this is the intentionality I'm seeing. 

[Werthead]

18 hours ago, Zorral said:

Last month the term, "twitter poisoned" emerged, suggesting that Those such as tRump and Kanye got it, inhaling way too much of twitter.  And Muskey caught it as well.  The first place I saw that was in the NY Times.

A different version of getting high on your own supply?  Or your own ego's so far into the conspiracies and lies your head's gone up your own ass?

Trump, Musk and Kanye Are Twitter Poisoned By Jaron Lanier

Mr. Lanier is a computer scientist and an author of several books on technology’s impact on people.Nov. 11, 2022

 

This is nothing new. The Nazis, even Hitler, would admit in private that a lot of stuff they were saying in the 1920s and early 1930s, even after coming to power, was total horseshit designed to stir up the masses. But at a certain point they started believing the bullshit and swallowing their own lies as eagerly as anyone else, at which point they lost touch with reality.

You can see the same thing happening in Russia. People like Lavrov and Medvedev were apparently once, genuinely intellectual and engaged people that colleagues in other countries could have very frank discussions with which were productive (apparently Sarkozy and Medvedev engaged in some very brutal 1-on-1 discussions during the conflict in Georgia, leading to a swift resolution the second the Russians realised they were about to risk getting into a quagmire). But in the last few years and especially the last 12 months, that has ceased to exist and even in private discussions with colleagues of long-standing, they're apparently spouting the same kind of clearly nonsensical propaganda bullshit they are in public.

[kairparavel]

6 minutes ago, JGP said:

Lawton works for True North, a Rebel News-like rag/thinktank/charity. 

So, what's interesting about this is the intentionality I'm seeing. 

Dude's a hack and it's infuriating every time he's published in the Washington Post, like he's some reasoned voice of Canada.

[JGP]

2 minutes ago, kairparavel said:

Dude's a hack and it's infuriating every time he's published in the Washington Post, like he's some reasoned voice of Canada.

Malcolm, Lawton, and Furey in particular. JJ McCullough is another that gets too many US columns. Canada has enough to be embarrassed about, but maybe we deserve this lol

How are you and Chef doing, kair

[JGP]

Flying by the seats of his pants, who gives a fuck. Can't say he isn't committed to the bit. It's pretty

Wonder if this might lead to a bit of a bounce back for news media in general, the dismantling of Twitter as a fast disseminator. Or will the spiral just continue, with so much influence from media ownership.

Off topic only sorta: the firing of Tiffany Cross by MSNBC was particularly egregious, imo 

[Zorral]

2 hours ago, Larry of the Lake said:

Because no one is expecting a social media  platform to save the world or be the vector for anti-oppression, and with twitter's star dimming it makes sense to go to wherever most people are actually connected instead of 20 different places.  

How do you explain that social media platforms are indeed victors for the increase of nazism, fash, bigotry, racism, incels, misogyny, authoritarianism of all kinds, as well insurrection?  And that is far more difficult to spread all these lies with everything distributed?

You are advocating that it for one click convenient entertainment over the public good, in a sense, wanting everything everywhere in one place.  And, of course, that's how, with faux noose, all these people got there in the first place.

One can't research anything with one source either.

[Werthead]

56 minutes ago, JGP said:

Flying by the seats of his pants, who gives a fuck. Can't say he isn't committed to the bit. It's pretty

Wonder if this might lead to a bit of a bounce back for news media in general, the dismantling of Twitter as a fast disseminator. Or will the spiral just continue, with so much influence from media ownership.

Off topic only sorta: the firing of Tiffany Cross by MSNBC was particularly egregious, imo 

Musk seems to be going beyond "pwning the libs" into obviously self-destructive territory here. I'm wondering if he sees the value in destroying Twitter altogether and letting it burn. Maybe some kind of insurance benefit? Or a ripping off the band aid thing where he was forced to buy this thing for silly money - a lot of it not his - so burning it to the ground ASAP and getting the hell out of dodge makes more sense to him than some kind of long, drawn-out death rattle over several years?

[felice]

13 hours ago, Starkess said:

But it turns out the instance I joined is no longer listed on the joinmastodon page

Most instances aren't; some because they're not currently accepting new members (though I believe most servers let their existing users generate invite codes, so if you know anyone with an an account you can ask them for one), some because they don't meet the conditions, and some just aren't interested in being listed.

There are more comprehensive lists at https://instances.social/ and https://mastodon.fediverse.observer/list

13 hours ago, Starkess said:

so I did some digging and it turns out that because that instance has a policy against de-federating other instances it's now considered too toxic and can't be listed on the mastodon landing page.

Not defederating Nazis and spammers is definitely a bad policy.

2 hours ago, Zorral said:

My question is why are you all fixated on a single system, which can always be bought out, taken over by the nazis and all the other deplorables, denial of service attacks etc?  Look at how easy it was to take out twitter itself!

That's a key benefit of Mastodon - being a network of independent servers, it's not vulnerable in the same way a centralised privately owned service is. Though that does introduce additional complexity.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

2 hours ago, JGP said:

 

Space Karen might have a list, and he's working on boosting voices that should not be.

Lawton works for True North, a Rebel News-like rag/thinktank/charity. 

So, what's interesting about this is the intentionality I'm seeing. 

Yeah, Canadian conservatives still aren't buying your fucking cars, Elon. 

ETA: That new Prius is looking pretty damn sexy Elon...

 

[Larry of the Lawn]

56 minutes ago, Zorral said:

How do you explain that social media platforms are indeed victors for the increase of nazism, fash, bigotry, racism, incels, misogyny, authoritarianism of all kinds, as well insurrection?  And that is far more difficult to spread all these lies with everything distributed?

You are advocating that it for one click convenient entertainment over the public good, in a sense, wanting everything everywhere in one place.  And, of course, that's how, with faux noose, all these people got there in the first place.

One can't research anything with one source either.

Yes,I want the authoritarians and oppressors to take.over the world through an 'everything app', that's clearly what I'm advocating for.  

To be clear: I'm not advocating for anything, I'm explaining why people are trying to see what the 'next' Twitter is going to be.

And it's not accurate to call something like Twitter a 'source', it's essentially been a place where a variety of sources are available.  It's been in the past the opposite of Fox news, there are very little overarching editorial or content control decisions made by anyone other than the users.

[JGP]

46 minutes ago, Werthead said:

Musk seems to be going beyond "pwning the libs" into obviously self-destructive territory here. I'm wondering if he sees the value in destroying Twitter altogether and letting it burn. Maybe some kind of insurance benefit? Or a ripping off the band aid thing where he was forced to buy this thing for silly money - a lot of it not his - so burning it to the ground ASAP and getting the hell out of dodge makes more sense to him than some kind of long, drawn-out death rattle over several years?

Sure, probably all of that. How do his sellers package that though. If it turns out to be just some butthurt sickening disdain for wealth, I mean, one of his complaints arguing against the purchase was an exact accounting of bot prevalence then after counts on bots boosting executive decisions by fiat. All the reinstatements. The Twitter Files bullshit. Dorsey speaking up, but dude please, shut the fuck up, it's all just amazing to me. And horrifying. A 44 bil + [all the extras] loss just a, whatever Southern African gesture Space Karen hasn't forgotten about. 

 

25 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

Yeah, Canadian conservatives still aren't buying your fucking cars, Elon. 

 

Hey, I see a lot of Teslas where I'm at. I wonder sometimes if any of them are dialed in to consider the implications of being seen driving one. 

All of this is going so spectacularly bad lol