Ser Scot A Ellison Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142 Carry on, Tolstoy! Ooops, there is another thread. I looked but didn't see one when I put up this one, but it was coming even as I was putting up this one! So please, Mod, take this one out! Edited June 24, 2023 by Zorral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 The more I think about this agreement with Putin and prigozhin, the less sense it makes. If Wagner had the strength to take Moscow, why did they stop? If Moscow could stop them, why make a deal? How can either side trust the other such that they could coexist in the future? Isn't the immediate next step that Putin gathers his forces and kills prigozhin? If he doesn't, how can Putin maintain credibility? Winterfell is Burning, Ser Scot A Ellison and Darzin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 This one is more interesting... you said something more than continue. Is it merly a pause and a attempt to make sure they don't get attacked ovrnight? and he will continue in the morning? Stopping don't make much sence its a death sentence really. but if he can make Putin think they are stopping and gonna turn arround it could buy them time overnight since they have pushed so far today. Winterfell is Burning, dog-days and Matrim Fox Cauthon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 So weird. No one knows better than Prigozhin that Russian "security guarantees" are worthless. And it seemed like he was still in a good spot to actually win it all. Instead he's throwing it all away, and losing his existing support in the process. There's a lot of Wagner Telegrams saying they're going to break their contracts with the group. Maybe it's an elaborate hoax, but if it is, it worked. There's footage of Wagner groups beginning to decamp from Rostov. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Did they hold his family hostage ? He has a wife and 2 children Edited June 24, 2023 by Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog-days Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) I was thinking about starting a third thread so we could have a trium[vir]ate. ETA: Back on topic. Quote Stopping don't make much sence its a death sentence really. but if he can make Putin think they are stopping and gonna turn arround it could buy them time overnight since they have pushed so far today. It seemed to me that surprise and speed were the big advantages of the Wagner group's move. There've been reports of bulldozers tearing up roads to slow their progress to Moscow. Edited June 24, 2023 by dog-days Ser Scot A Ellison, Zorral and Corvinus85 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 If Prigozhin didn't secure his family before he made his move dude's a bigger fucking idiot than Putin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 Whose thread was first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Again, I sincerely, deeply, and breathlessly hope this means that again, the chance of a nuclear blast has been avoided! Just now, dog-days said: I was thinking about starting a third thread so we could have a trium[vir]ate. But we've only got, so far, Xenophon and Julius! dog-days, Mindwalker and Ser Scot A Ellison 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Your's by less than a minute, it seems. But it was first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Everyone always forgets Alcibiades, but that’s hotshots for you— always alienating their teams. Edited June 24, 2023 by JGP dog-days, Ser Scot A Ellison and Zorral 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzin Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 We definitely need more details something is off here but who knows what. It' possible Putin is capitulating and staying on as just a figurehead but Mao shows why that's a dangerous proposition. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Zorral said: Again, I sincerely, deeply, and breathlessly hope this means that again, the chance of a nuclear blast has been avoided! Maybe Lukaschenko managed to persuade Prigozhin that he was about to get nuked if he didn't back down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) I linked to the BBC site on this in the other thread, which has a lot of detail, which is what urged me to start a new thread as the old one was closed. Edited June 24, 2023 by Zorral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Darzin said: We definitely need more details something is off here but who knows what. It' possible Putin is capitulating and staying on as just a figurehead but Mao shows why that's a dangerous proposition. Yeah, but the coup would have to go further than it did to make that work. Putin is wounded, but he's a long way from dead. Nobody is reporting to prigozhin the way they are/were reporting to putin. Wagner has no infrastructure to run the state, their only option is to decapitate the existing govt and take it over. Which they haven't done (unless a HUGE portion of the Russian military is actually in league with Wagner). Could that be possible? That this "agreement" is just a soft surrender for Putin? Seems unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Fox Cauthon Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I guess we have all picked this thread. Okay then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog-days Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, williamjm said: Maybe Lukaschenko managed to persuade Prigozhin that he was about to get nuked if he didn't back down? It's hard to imagine the kind of personality that ends up as the commander of a private army not trying to call Lukashenko/Putin's bluff. Unless Prigozhin's so egotistical/blind that he really thinks he can survive his retreat for more than a few weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just merge this one into the other one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Some of Wagner are unhappy at the standdown. the supposed concessions won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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