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  2. Vanadis

    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    I love this. Dany walks up to the Iron Throne. She touches it. Then she gently sits down. Dressed in black, with snow and ash swirling around her, she stares menacingly into nothing. Camera zooms out and we see her through the broken walls of the Red Keep, then we see smoke rising from the entire city and Drogon circling it. The end. So much better.
  3. Sounds fair, since D&D always wrote him much worse than he was.
  4. DireWolfSpirit

    Watch, Watched, Watching: Getting Sneaky

    Damn must see JW3 I see.
  5. JagLover

    A season of Jons betrayal

    She was his queen, she commands and her obeys, that is how feudalism works. Ned kept the secret for decades and Jon couldn't keep it for a few days. So yes as he had sworn fealty to her he betrayed her as much as Vary's did.
  6. Wylla Manderly

    A season of Jons betrayal

    No, he didn't. She may asked him not to tell anyone, but it was not her decision to make. It was his decision alone. And I found her reaction to his parentage reveal very selfish. And he never promised her to not talk to anyone. So, no betrayal there.
  7. JagLover

    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    I think the deeper problem is that it doesn't feel particularly real or earned. Conquerors in history didn't tend to be killed off by their friends they were left to finish what they started, no matter what the cost to the rest of humanity. It introduces an element of fairy tale to a story that was always so realistic. A better ending, IMO, would for Dany to have ended up on the IT, but most of the audience to have turned against her. A warning that history's conquerors were usually not very nice people by modern standards.
  8. Vanadis

    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    It was a very black and white ending that seems to be a final moral judgment of the characters to the extent that it tells the fandom which fan base was "right all along" and which fan base was "wrong". It does not resonate well with me at all. It's as if they jumped into a different genre: It's not Game of Thrones anymore, now it's a Fantasy Soap Opera.
  9. Aegon even names Duck to his Kingsguard and gives him a white cloak. He's proclaimed himself. That's all there is to it. His being a claimant as Aegon VI has nothing to do with whether he is seated on the Iron Throne or anything. It's a non-issue. If someone wants to be upset about it despite this, I think they'll just have to be upset.
  10. Stannis Eats No Peaches

    UK Politics: Awaiting MV3

    I’m in the East Midlands and I was planning on voting Lib Dem, but having looked at the polls and the link posted above I’m wondering if I’d be better off voting Green in the hope that they’ll get the 5th seat. However I think the chances of Green getting enough votes are still quite remote and I might just be better off reinforcing the Lib Dem vote. I just don’t know.
  11. JagLover

    A season of Jons betrayal

    He did betray her when he told Arya and (in particular) Sansa of who he really was.
  12. J. Stargaryen

    Your favorite individual acting performance

    Emilia Clarke was the top performer of the season for me. Peter Dinklage is the obvious choice for the whole series. Alfie Allen has always been very good. I thought he kind of stole the show in season 2. I've seen a couple of comments about Kit Harrington. I'm not sure if D&D give him such bland, repetitive dialogue because they don't think he can handle much else. Maybe they just don't like the character or think it's convenient to have the hero be an idiot.
  13. Hello, BF and me will be attending WorldCon and EuroCon I've been a bit out of the loop with BWB stuff lately, but I really want to reconnect with you all *hugs*
  14. Mikkel

    A season of Jons betrayal

    The mind boggles at the mental gymnastics some people go through to make Jon the bad guy. And Jon was loyal to Dany, loyal to the point of idiocy, right up until he stabbed her. Dany raving about betrayals left and right doesn't make it so (though Varys did of course betray her).
  15. I don't agree with the show's writing more than anything to do with Dany's arc per se - if you can even call it writing. On the specific point of the Tarlys, in the books, usually everyone is offered the choice of going to the Wall. But the show is anyway not the books, and applying Geneva conventions to POWs are modern values. In the middle ages, rebel barons were horribly executed (e.g. Robert the Bruce's brothers), unless there was some political or monetary gain in keeping them hostage. Executing them is nothing Tywin would not have done of course. (Reynes and Tarbecks people) Olenna declared for Dany, the Tarlys are sworn to Highgarden, so even if you don't think Dany's view that she was always the rightful heir anyway applies, the Tarlys have broken their oath to the Tyrells. Definitely enough cause to be executed by medieval laws. Was it the smart thing to do? No. Aegon I understood this well and also did well to start with the worst tyrant and subsequently forgiving everyone else (in most cases after defeating their armies). Dany should have started with torching the universally unpopular Frey, and building support in the Riverlands (her last non-Targaryen ancestor was a Blackwood), while simultaneously protecting her allies in the South. A Lannister army marching out in the open would have been a perfect opportunity to defeat the enemy in the field and further gain credentials. The Tarlys could have been locked up to reconsider at. I blame Tyrion and Varys for the horrible advice and lack of military intelligence. I guess the 'writers' wanted to convey that an angered Dany took bad decisions and was quick to execute prisoners. But from there to burning small folk is a huge stretch. Yeah, she reacted quite pettily to the frozen welcome she got in the North and her reaction when her Dragons, that already seemed juvenile, but from there to burning them all? PS: Forget what I said about Tyrion and Varys's incompetence, they are not really behaving as in-universe characters, that's the writers as well obviously.
  16. DireWolfSpirit

    What are you listening to Ventiquattro - Dont let Life pass you by.

    Another in a long line of great acts from my native state of Michigan. These guys are some real throwback rockers, Gretta Van Fleet-
  17. Heartofice

    UK Politics: Awaiting MV3

    My polling station was pretty busy. Guess this was the first euro elections a lot of people actually cared about
  18. Ned had just helped put Robert on the throne, subsequent falling-out/reconciliation notwithstanding. He couldn't very well turn around and declare independence immediately afterward - nor would he, they were friends after all. Nor does anything suggest that sentiment for a "free North" was particularly rife at the time, that only came later, when "the crown" started making power plays (imprisoning Ned, etc).
  19. Yet again, a character is made to act out of character, to fit the needs of the plot.
  20. Demetri

    GRRM's (Brief) Thoughts on the Final Episode

    This is interesting. First, keep firmly in mind who Cersei is. She is self-centered to the extreme and is fairly unyielding in that regard. However, we all know the exception, "But she loves her children so much!!!" As a result, this is a really fascinating intersection for her psychologically. We know she thinks very highly of herself. I don't think it is too much of a stretch to say that she thinks if she'd have been born male instead of Jaime that she'd have been king. That totally fits with how she perceives the world, and the book even shows that she harbors either that thought or something similar. But we also know that she's thought a little deeper (emphasis on little) into the effect of gender as evidenced by her statement that War is the battlefield for men, the birthing bed is the battlefield for women. I think it is very fair to say that she feels exceptionally held back by her gender. And not held back in a wage sense but in a destiny sense. I think that she believes that if not for an accident of birth (her being female and Jaime male) then she'd be on the very top of things. While this is speculative, Cersei's chapters support these sentiments. In fact, she seems to nearly despise women. On a shakier limb, that could be the result of being destined to be a woman which she felt limited what she should have been. I think it is absolutely necessary to keep that in mind when reviewing the forthcoming bits. So how would she deal with succession? It is self-evident that a huge chunk of our love for our children derives from our love for ourselves. I suppose some could argue that point, but I think it'd be a matter of degree rather than if it is or is not a thing. Cersei definitely loves herself. Beyond stuff like "a mother's love" we have no real canonical reasoning behind her particular brand of loving her children, which is both extremely fierce and constantly erring on the side of consolidating her interests and avoiding risk for them. Cersei would have 3 options for succession. 1) She could magic up a biological child of her own. Case closed there. 2) She could adopt and name that individual as heir or 3) have the line pass either to a branch of her house (which makes no sense based on the common law precedents of succession and the particular situation at the time of the books) OR to another house of her choosing (which would be as fallacious as the first part of this option as she has no legitimacy born of lineage, it is instead enforced by the status quo and force) 1 is kind of a nonstarter. It either happens or it doesn't. If it doesn't, then she only has two options. If she was a bit more clever she'd perhaps consider that we won't know if the 1st option vests or fails before it is too late and dismiss it entirely. But that isn't how Cersei thinks. I find 3 very unlikely as well. Cersei is not a big one for ceding power away. While she'd be making a hugely important decision, it would cost her some power. We have a lot of indications that Cersei would make every attempt to avoid any loss of power to herself. 2 is the interesting one. Cersei might love her kids, but she certainly doesn't have some general love of children. So the question then becomes a matter of if (and to what extent, if so) her fierce love of her offspring derives from her own narcissism represented by her genetic contribution or whether the act of raising her children was the primarily endearing factor. I lean very strongly towards her narcissism being the primary factor. The hair color of her children eventually became a MAJOR element of the plot but it also seemed that the fact she had blonde children was, to her, a powerful and subversive act of rebellion against her hated husband. But the two are intertwined. They have golden hair because she does and she conceived her children with someone who also does. So the golden hair isn't merely defiance, it is also a phenotypical expression of her genes and thus her narcissism. But the other option (3) is far less appealing because it is the situation in which she has the least amount of power. Sure, she could eventually get to decide what house would act as successor, which is pretty damn potent, but utilizing that power also directly represents the ultimate dissolution of her power. I don't think she considers naming an outside house for even a second. Neither she nor Jaime express any general good will towards House Lannister as a whole. I don't think she actually sees House Lannister as an extension of herself in the way one might expect. She MIGHT do it for reasons of retaining proximity to power (assuming the heir becomes binding before her death) or, hell, she might even figure that since it doesn't matter as she'll be dead and Lannisters are slightly better than any other options. It is much more likely that she look to Lannister before other houses. But I think the legal issues there might prevent that from ever even being a legitimate option. So let's look at hte one standing, (2) adoption. Unless she's tired of being in power or in KL, we must assume that she wants to stay as close to the Iron Throne as possible. Adoption would necessitate this as those potential heirs would remain potential for at least the next 15 years. During those years, Cersei is still on the throne and still the most powerful single individual (by potential) in Westeros. I think she goes for adoption. The question remaining is "what the hell does that relationship look like?" I honestly don't know. Before all else, Cersei must agree to consider such decisions, which is to countenance her inevitable lack of power. The best case scenario is that her power ends with death. I can't see anyone wanting to keep her around (even, maybe especially, a potential Lannister successor) so the only way to retain her power either through or approaching death would be by raising a child and relying on the mother/advisor role to give her continuing relevance. There's a bit of a conflict. 1) I imagine that Cersei would find the idea of having to raise a brat that didn't come from her own body as being disgusting. 2) I think that she has the arrogance- perhaps rightfully so here- to think that the impact she'd have on the children through raising them would make them much closer to her than anyone else in Westeros could ever be (lannisters included). 3) She wants to stay near power. Her decision flowchart is really short and goes "Does this increase or retain your power? Yes. Good! No. Find a different solution that does." Ultimately, I think she'd opt to adopt. But I'll say that she would ONLY do it knowing that the child would be heir to the throne. I don't see that ever happening as the Lannisters have no independent claim beyond the precedence of a Lannister ruling for a while recently. But could she ever love that child? She'd definitely try to convince people that she does, but I doubt she ever could. I think the loss of her biological children and her narcissism makes this choice purely a pragmatic one based on retaining power. And, for Cersei, if you have to raise a kid to hold onto power then that's what Maesters and Septons are for anyway.
  21. Jekse

    Symbolism of A Song of Ice and Fire

    when dany drinks the juice in book 2 she see a blue rose in a ice wall. this is symbolian for jon snow being at the wall,
  22. Rory Snow

    A season of Jons betrayal

    I found it amusing that Jon kind of ended up where Jaime began. Jaime's story begins with him becoming the "Kingslayer" by killing the Mad King, Jon's story ends with him becoming the Queenslayer and under somewhat comparable circumstances.
  23. DireWolfSpirit

    NBA Playoffs 2019 - Kawhi So Serious?!

    We'll know soon enough in a week or two when all is settled on the court. Ive seen enough surprizes in athletics to rarely assume contests are forgone conclusions.
  24. Black Crow

    Heresy 222 vindication

    I wonder whether it may be a mistake to look for specific actors/players in this struggle. GRRM after all specifically stated that we won't see any Gods walking [and fighting] on Westeros' green and pleasant land. Earlier I laid out a possible pattern for the conflict and I really won't be surprised if at the end of all this the conflict is not resolved and that we're left with the dodgy seasons, because all of this is about how people live with a conflict which they can neither control nor materially influence
  25. Are they at the convention rate, though? If so, I would certainly consider switching my booking from the more expensive Maldron, which I only accepted because the Hilton was full up when bookings opened.
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