Preacher- AMC Comic Adaptation

[dbunting]

3 hours ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

I'm tempted to read the comic now after this season, but I can see that it seems to be those who have read it that are the biggest critics of the show, which I think maybe would taint my opinion of it.

Not being a reader I thought the show was fantastic, it had a real edge and a feeling of individuality and bravery that not many other shows have. Even something like Mr Robot seems like a cynical attempt to hit the right notes in comparison. 

Some of Preacher doesn't always work, I don't like Tulip or anything surrounding her in general, but when the show does work its some of the most enjoyable stuff on tv. Cassidy is phenomenal, I loved the actor in Misfits and This is England and he brings that comic timing to the show that works brilliantly. 

That finale as well I really liked. 

GOD. At first I was like 'wow I can't believe they are showing God like this, they are gonna be in so much trouble', but then the revelation it was as fake as it looked was hilarious. The way the show portrays Angels and Heaven in general I really enjoy. 

Roll on next season, this is one of my top shows of the year.

I also never read the comics and believe that's a good thing. Majority of the time if you read first and watch after you are thoroughly disappointed (see ASOIAF) however if you see first, then read the books your mind set seems to be more open to both genres.  

[Calibandar]

5 hours ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

I'm tempted to read the comic now after this season, but I can see that it seems to be those who have read it that are the biggest critics of the show, which I think maybe would taint my opinion of it.

Roll on next season, this is one of my top shows of the year.

Same here, but I have decided to read the comics, seems like a great story even if don't love the artwork.

Not as bad as with Sandman though, where the art really hampered my enjoyment of the work.

[Nictarion]

1 hour ago, Calibandar said:

Same here, but I have decided to read the comics, seems like a great story even if don't love the artwork.

Not as bad as with Sandman though, where the art really hampered my enjoyment of the work.

You didn't like any of the Sandman artists?  There was so many of them though...

If you want to see some great Sandman art check out Overture. Some gorgeous stuff by J.H. Williams III. 

[Martini Sigil]

11 hours ago, dbunting said:

I also never read the comics and believe that's a good thing. Majority of the time if you read first and watch after you are thoroughly disappointed (see ASOIAF) however if you see first, then read the books your mind set seems to be more open to both genres.  

The thing is, --if you so desire-- you can read the comics and not much will have been spoiled... really this whole first season took place before the first panel of the first book.... actually the diner scene *is* the first panel (if I recall correctly)... But I don't think its necessarily a benefit to reading the GN's in this case....lol 

I have to admit, the first couple of episodes I was pissed off at Seth Rogan... I thought he really dropped the ball... but then I realized what he was doing... and that I was totally wrong.... This was a really smart idea to do S1 this way

[Calibandar]

15 hours ago, Nictarion said:

You didn't like any of the Sandman artists?  There was so many of them though...

If you want to see some great Sandman art check out Overture. Some gorgeous stuff by J.H. Williams III. 

I only liked the artwork by Charles Vess and Michael Zulli, that was quite good.

I have Sandman Overture btw; some gorgeous artwork and that is why I bought it, but the story disappointed me.

[red snow]

On 03/08/2016 at 10:43 AM, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

Interested to know which bits you think 'sag'. There were very few I didn't enjoy, I mentioned Tulip as I think she's the real weak link, but even show grew over the season, especially after seeing the early flashbacks of their relationship. 

The siege of the church was definitely one of the bad moments. I probably mentioned it further back in the thread but there were a couple of episodes where very little happened. I was also disappointed that there wasn't any follow up from him using his voice when helping his flock at the diner it seemed a missed opportunity. There were also parts of the show where I didn't have a clue what was going on (even having read the comic) eg the cowboy and the scene where there is a delivery to a guy watching porn in a theatre. There were a few mid season episodes where I thought Tulip was very badly used - she just seemed to hang around moping about Jesse which was a vast difference from her behaviour in the pilot.

[Channel4s-JonSnow]

1 hour ago, red snow said:

The siege of the church was definitely one of the bad moments. I probably mentioned it further back in the thread but there were a couple of episodes where very little happened. I was also disappointed that there wasn't any follow up from him using his voice when helping his flock at the diner it seemed a missed opportunity. There were also parts of the show where I didn't have a clue what was going on (even having read the comic) eg the cowboy and the scene where there is a delivery to a guy watching porn in a theatre. There were a few mid season episodes where I thought Tulip was very badly used - she just seemed to hang around moping about Jesse which was a vast difference from her behaviour in the pilot.

I can't disagree with any of that, those were definitely the weaker bits of the show, however I still felt they were all entertaining in their own right. Hard to dislike the guy getting his dick shot off!  

I do agree that more should have been made of him using the voice, and that was glossed over rather a lot, especially as they did seem to have other elements of the show that could have been cut in its place. 

I do like that the should makes you have faith in it that its leading you down a path and expects you to follow it. The cowboy scenes made no sense initally, but later revealed themselves. Still not sure about the ski accident? What happened there. 

[Nictarion]

1 hour ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

I can't disagree with any of that, those were definitely the weaker bits of the show, however I still felt they were all entertaining in their own right. Hard to dislike the guy getting his dick shot off!  

I do agree that more should have been made of him using the voice, and that was glossed over rather a lot, especially as they did seem to have other elements of the show that could have been cut in its place. 

I do like that the should makes you have faith in it that its leading you down a path and expects you to follow it. The cowboy scenes made no sense initally, but later revealed themselves. Still not sure about the ski accident? What happened there. 

Just a flashback of how Quincannon's family died.

[Channel4s-JonSnow]

23 minutes ago, Nictarion said:

Just a flashback of how Quincannon's family died.

Ah, didn't notice that.

[The BlackBear]

Snuff film man was interested in a property agreement for Grail Industries. He'll show up later.

Co-Creator comments:

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He's an antagonist in S2. Not truly confirmed to be Herr Starr, but it is.

http://deadline.com/2016/07/preacher-finale-season-2-spoilers-seth-rogen-sam-catlin-amc-1201795482/

 

 

[red snow]

16 hours ago, Nictarion said:

Just a flashback of how Quincannon's family died.

yeah, it made the following scene with Odin doing his "meat" speech more disturbing as it meant everyone in the ski lift was ground up

13 hours ago, The BlackBear said:

Snuff film man was interested in a property agreement for Grail Industries. He'll show up later.

Co-Creator comments:

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He's an antagonist in S2. Not truly confirmed to be Herr Starr, but it is.

http://deadline.com/2016/07/preacher-finale-season-2-spoilers-seth-rogen-sam-catlin-amc-1201795482/

 

 

I figured as much but it was very much a dangling thread and left non comic readers entirely in the dark. Like they did with the cowboy and with the people who killed Jesse's dad (can't wait to see that get resolved). Like C4JS said the cowboy one worked out fine in the end so hopefully the same is true for the other scenes.

 

I also remembered the angel being killed now. I've clearly being sleep deprived as I can't imagine why I forgot in the first place!

[SpaceChampion]

About that dead angel, isn't he supposed to reanimate in an identical body?  So where is he?

[GallowKnight]

1 minute ago, SpaceChampion said:

About that dead angel, isn't he supposed to reanimate in an identical body?  So where is he?

Well, when they cowboy shot the lady-angel at the end she didn't reanimate either, so make what you will of that.

[Talleyrand]

Not a comic book reader so just random guessing, maybe death in Hell is final? 

I hadn't thought much about the Lady-Angel not coming back given that coming back can take a bit but the fact that Gallows is pointing it out makes me think there's probably something up.

[SpaceChampion]

If he's perma-dead, the other one didn't seem too bothered by it.  Why not?

[felice]

19 minutes ago, SpaceChampion said:

If he's perma-dead, the other one didn't seem too bothered by it.  Why not?

I thought he did look pretty bothered. And we've barely seen him since.

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In the comics the Cowboy's guns can kill anything because they're forged from the sword of the Angel of Death (much like Oathkeeper and Widow's Wail are forged from Ice); it's not yet clear how the show version gets his power, since his post-death experiences seem quite different.

 

[The BlackBear]

All we see is DeBlanc gets shot, Fiore looks primarily scared. Then the next episode Fiore turns up covered in soot looking shellshocked.

The Seraphim didn't appear to respawn, and neither did Fiore. But admittedly they did say they don't always come back in the same place. I think he's probably dead.

[PetyrPunkinhead]

That S1 finale: they got there in a different way from the comic, but they got there. Also, the finale felt a bit underwhelming considering they technically out GoT'd GoT by killing an entire town and not just part of one. And now that this "prequel" season is over I hope we can get some road trip action going more in line with the larger arcs of the comic.

On 8/5/2016 at 10:22 PM, felice said:

I thought he did look pretty bothered. And we've barely seen him since.

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In the comics the Cowboy's guns can kill anything because they're forged from the sword of the Angel of Death (much like Oathkeeper and Widow's Wail are forged from Ice); it's not yet clear how the show version gets his power, since his post-death experiences seem quite different.

 

Yeah, I agree with all that. I'm guessing they'll explain that about his guns next season. And it's a small consolation for losing the person angel you've spent eternity with, but at least his comics were still there.

[red snow]

I've just re-read the first two volumes of Preacher. The first volume might be tricky to adapt now but I think they could certainly do the New York two-parter. The second volume "until the end of the world" could easily be expanded into at least half a season. Not so sure the second story in that collection about the new "de sade" could work - it's definitely one of the more graphic stories that AMC would have trouble adapting.

Upon the re-read I was struck by how the first 14 issues aren't as slapstick or puerile as I'd thought. I think the later stories and Ennis' other works have clouded my judgement. It's actually pretty serious with some great character introductions and world -building.

"until the end of the world" should still make some quality TV and I'd be surprised if they didn't adapt that story. Some of the flashbacks suggest it will happen though.

The character Jody would have been perfect for a "not-so-successful" Matthew Mconaughey. I think Christopher Meloni could work too.

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

1 hour ago, red snow said:

Upon the re-read I was struck by how the first 14 issues aren't as slapstick or puerile as I'd thought. I think the later stories and Ennis' other works have clouded my judgement. It's actually pretty serious with some great character introductions and world -building.

 Yeah, that's a common criticism of a lot of Ennis's work that I find to be annoying. Yes, his sense of humor can be quite sophomoric and shock-jockeyesque, but there is usually a really solid plot that holds all of that stuff together. I think he runs into problems when a series he is working on outlives his first big plot arc.