kissdbyfire Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 You probably see it everywhere because its true. George gave them crap to adapt, so the quality dropped. The fact that it dropped so little when the quality of the books at this point tanked is pretty impressive actually. Sure, there were missteps, but there were no Quentyn-level missteps. But the quality dropped because they deviated so much, not because they were faithful. ETA: and because their writing is mediocre at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bong of Ice and Fire Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 What I think is hilarious about the show is its wild success, given that GRRM intended to write novels so massive that they would be unfilmable for TV. Oh the irony. Hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojji Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 What I think is hilarious about the show is its wild success, given that GRRM intended to write novels so massive that they would be unfilmable for TV. Oh the irony. Hehe. You do realize how much of the story they are cutting to make it work for television, right? D&D have proven time after time that they are incapable of faithfully adapting the books to tv and at this point I think they stopped trying. Instead they much rather want to come up with their own silly stories for the characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I just hope that D&D would be big enough to accept the criticism and attempt, just a little, to correct the course in the next season without descending into corny violent parody of the show. Less with shock value moments so that moments that deserve it are actually being worked for. If every episode ends with violent shock, they don't feel deserved but expected. I also don't think that audience can tolerate another depressing season where everything goes bad and sour. That would be nice, but... They do what they want. I don't think anything anyone says will change what they are going to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiceBorn Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I think that after all that complaints about Drogo allegedly raping Danny and Jaime allegedly raping Cersei they've decided to show us what they consider a true rape. As for the heart of the show: after Red Wedding there are two characters who bring action into the book:1. Stannis - like him or not - a character with massive cult following. They had perfect actor for the role yet they've managed to ruin it.2. Victarion Greyjoy - a character who has powerful entrance and picks up the pace of the novel. They've cut him so far. Instead they've given us zombie slasher with John Grimes mixed with soft gay-porn and buddy comedy turning character driven story into event/shock driven story. Since the genocide of old characters serves the purpose of clearing the stage for something, I feel compelled to ask: what will that be? A monster movie with Frankenjon, Frankenmountain zombies and Bran? A buddy adventure comedy quest to free the lost princess? We want to know, but I fear we already know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 That would be nice, but... They do what they want. I don't think anything anyone says will change what they are going to do.:agree:And even if they did care, it's too late now. S6 must be written by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon in the North Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 You do not have to be a book reader to hate season 5, it is not book, it is about basic common sense, it is about taste, I believe those stil claim loving season 5 are either working for HBO or in self denial That would be like me saying that anyone who liked books 4 and 5 are either working for Martin or are in self denial. People like what they like. You don't have to agree with it, but at the very least, you should respect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryk Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 There's no doubt they got a bit sloppy this season and let things slide that they wouldn't have in seasons past. Perhaps a bit of complacency has crept it, or they're just rushing things a bit too much, but it is hard to understand how the same team that has provided four seasons of top notch television allowed something as ridiculous and non-nonsensical as the Dorne subplot to exist. Seriously, I kept waiting for some dramatic speech from Doran Martell or something that would redeem all of it but it never came, the whole thing just got worse and worse; and when Ellaria smooched Myrcella on the lips while frigging Doran Martell and Bronn (who had just been poisoned like a day before) remained blissfully unaware of what that so obviously meant, I really rolled my eyes. BUT, the season was not without its high points. The first few episodes were very strong, and Hardhome remains one of the greatest things ever produced for television. Episode 10 left a bad taste in my mouth but the casting rumors for season 6 have already got me excited, and hopeful Game of Thrones will once again reach the heights of epic drama that it's capable of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bong of Ice and Fire Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 You do realize how much of the story they are cutting to make it work for television, right?D&D have proven time after time that they are incapable of faithfully adapting the books to tv and at this point I think they stopped trying. Instead they much rather want to come up with their own silly stories for the characters.I disagree. I think they've done almost a miraculous job bringing the story to the film medium. While not perfect, they captured the essence of the books and characters better than I thought was possible. GoT is to me (and obviously to many many others) by far the best TV show in years. What else has captured people's hearts and minds to such a deep degree as GoT? Nothing. I know you feel differently, and that's fine. But I do find it hilarious that people that seemingly hate GoT so much spend so much time watching the show and coming online to talk about how bad it is. If I don't like a show, I stop watching it and don't waste my energy convincing everyone that likes it that they're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bong of Ice and Fire Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Oops, double post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya and Needle Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I just hope that D&D would be big enough to accept the criticism I think that's the picture that you guys are missing. Aside from the Sansa rape scene, they've received barely any negative criticism for the entire season. I mean, I agree with you guys that Manderly is a great character and I would have really enjoyed seeing him, but I really don't think he's as essential to the story or theme as being made out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow282 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 What did you dislike about the books other than Quentyn? Yeah, some things may not have worked, but I would never call it crap writing. Cersei retconned from a complex, interesting character into a cartoon "crazy!" character, the nicest! thing that can be said about the Ironborn is that they're comically unrealistic, Quentyn, plot slows down to a plod, geographical split was pointless and limiting so it could only possibly have come from either extreme arrogance or stupidity. And, of course, seemingly ever character starts repeating the same phrase over, and over, and over, and over, and over again for no apparent reason. Other than that, just fantastic reads. Funny I thought it was D&D who took George's "crap" to adapt and not other way around. If its crap why did they took it then? Why didn't they write something they created? Oh right they did and its this season and it sucked badly just like any terrible fan-fiction does. Well, no. When they made the deal George had written 3 great books. Was Feast even out? If it was, I'm sure they thought it was just a one-time mistake from an otherwise great writer. I'm sure they expected the quality to go back to usual for the next books. Can you imagine how awful the day Dance was released must have been for everyone on the show? Imagine that frantic conversation, trying to figure out how to adapt that into something even vaguely watchable. Must have been terrible. I couldn't understand your issue with Quentyn? He's filler-ish, but well, what was this season? Clearly you support the original "Oh, so intelligent" changes like Olly Chekhov, Myranda 'Not Royce', among others. We can't discuss then, because as one wise man once said, everyone has a right to have a taste, but there's good and bad taste. I won't give a pass to anyone that supports the mess that Dorne/Winterfell/Stannis were this season. You mean Quentyn, the boring, pointless character whose POV was entirely unnecessary and whose inclusion took up space that could and should have been filled with an actual ending to the book? That's, mostly, my problem with Quentyn. Other than that, he's swell. Nope, not particularly. Nice assumption there though. Like I said, missteps. Dorne was one of them. But, like I said, Dorne's not nearly as bad as Quentyn. WF/Stannis aren't nearly as bad as the Ironborn. Ect, ect Yeah yeah, everyone already knows your opinion on how bad the books are. Stop repeating yourself. It's funny how often this argument is brought up. Does poor source material excuse them for making bad television? The poorly directed scenes or the poorly written characters? Does it excuse them for Dorne and it's characters, or Dany, Brienne, Stannis, Littlefinger, Sansa or Ollie? And everyone knows your opinion about how bad the show is. Why, exactly, should I stop repeating my opinion while you continuously spout out your own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehandwipes Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 You've never read the books, so stop telling us how awful they are. You don't know what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man from Nowhere Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 First of all I would preface by saying I love GOT, particularly the first 4 seasons. But season 5 has undeniably dropped in terms of quality and character development. As has already been stated above the show has now moved to using shocker events and unrealistic twists to build up momentum but which have felt hollow of meaning and devoid of substance. This is in stark(lol) contrast to its previous seasons in which the plot was driven by more organic storytelling and character arcs which were less forced and arbitrary. Obviously the significance of D&D not having the finished books to go by could account for some of these problems but not all of them as GRRM is always at their disposal. I think they have failed to add value to the story in parts where they now have more scope for creative freedom than before. In terms of TV as a whole I truly don't believe GOT can yet be or maybe ever be compared to shows like the Sopranos, or the Wire, or even Breaking Bad but what these shows tell us is that all of them can and do have a bad season amongst the pure gold. Therefore I hope that D&D take a good hard look at what has went wrong(cough, Stannis, Rape Porn, Dorne) and what went right this Season and take it onboard for the remaining life of the show. There is no doubt it has the potential to be one of the best ever but another season like that and I truly believe its chances will be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Hardhome remains one of the greatest things ever produced for television. I can never understand why Hardhome become so popular, I consider it is nothing but some fancy fighting scenes, other that it makes little sense and it create such a big plot hole for the later episodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 In terms of TV as a whole I truly don't believe GOT can yet be or maybe ever be compared to shows like the Sopranos, or the Wire, or even Breaking Bad but what these shows tell us is that all of them can and do have a bad season amongst the pure gold. Therefore I hope that D&D take a good hard look at what has went wrong(cough, Stannis, Rape Porn, Dorne) and what went right this Season and take it onboard for the remaining life of the show. There is no doubt it has the potential to be one of the best ever but another season like that and I truly believe its chances will be gone. It is too late, unlike these other great shows, GOT is based on a novels, what season 5 accompolished is wasting all existing material and create multiple giant plot holes, on this ground, the season 6 will match to entirely unmarked territory, I just do not see how D&D could fix this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryk Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I can never understand why Hardhome become so popular, I consider it is nothing but some fancy fighting scenes, other that it makes little sense and it create such a big plot hole for the later episodesIt was a sequence of brilliantly executed cinematic moments that epitomize what sets Game of Thrones apart from other great series. No matter how untouchable the likes of Sopranos and Mad Men may be in the eyes of the critics, none of them could ever have a moment as epic as Jon taking the white walkers spear on his Valyrian steel blade, or the shot of white walkers on the cliff overlooking the carnage, or the Night's King issuing a direct challenge to the Lord Commander of the Nights Watch. It's mythical stuff like that which makes kids want to be filmmakers.Even seemingly small things like the way the white walkers moved were perfectly done. The slow-motion shot of the walker leaping down and pursuing Jon with ice-cold focus was so menacing and nerd-chill worthy. The entire thing was a triumph of epic fantasy filmmaking. If you can't appreciate the cinematic greatness of Hardhome then, frankly, you have my sympathies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 It was a sequence of brilliantly executed cinematic moments that epitomize what sets Game of Thrones apart from other great series. No matter how untouchable the likes of Sopranos and Mad Men may be in the eyes of the critics, none of them could ever have a moment as epic as Jon taking the white walkers spear on his Valyrian steel blade, or the shot of white walkers on the cliff overlooking the carnage, or the Night's King issuing a direct challenge to the Lord Commander of the Nights Watch. It's mythical stuff like that which makes kids want to be filmmakers.Even seemingly small things like the way the white walkers moved were perfectly done. The slow-motion shot of the walker leaping down and pursuing Jon with ice-cold focus was so menacing and nerd-chill worthy. The entire thing was a triumph of epic fantasy filmmaking. If you can't appreciate the cinematic greatness of Hardhome then, frankly, you have my sympathies. It is exactly what I said, this epeisode is nothing but some fancy fighting scenes, I do not know you, but I do not start watching this show because of "sequence of brilliantly executed cinematic moments", if I want to this, I will leave my brain at home and go to see that Transformer 3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeviathan73 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 It is exactly what I said, this epeisode is nothing but some fancy fighting scenes, I do not know you, but I do not start watching this show because of "sequence of brilliantly executed cinematic moments", if I want to this, I will leave my brain at home and go to see that Transformer 3D Couldn't I say the same thing about putting down the Game of Thrones books and picking up Nietzsche? Or maybe we should cut out the smug bullshit and remember we're talking entertainment here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facebookless Man Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 It was a sequence of brilliantly executed cinematic moments that epitomize what sets Game of Thrones apart from other great series.Money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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