US Politics: In A Hypocritical Condition

[karaddin]

1 minute ago, Tywin et al. said:

Or more simply put, they're taking their personal religious beliefs and doctrine and saying they trump secular law. Which is exactly why Trump's latest nominee is completely unfit to serve on the bench at any level. 

I understand the concerns about reprisals but the Dems really need to court pack if theyre able to actually win the election. If she's seated and they don't then there's decades of "we're fucked" to get through. 

[Fragile Bird]

15 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

They possibly were, demonstrating their own sub-par journalistic capabilities by name dropping the wrong govt agency. A lot of people assume anything to do with disease is CDC and not FDA.

Bah, the story on-line says the FDA, I was eating dinner and talking to my brother, I probably misheard.

[Tywin et al.]

44 minutes ago, karaddin said:

I understand the concerns about reprisals but the Dems really need to court pack if theyre able to actually win the election. If she's seated and they don't then there's decades of "we're fucked" to get through. 

I've made it very clear over the years that I oppose court packing, but fuck it, the Republicans have already done that. We should be discussing how a 5-3 liberal court will change with a young conservative justice being added to it, but we're not. They played dirty, but within the technical rules. Democrats need to do the same if they capture the WH and both chambers, and they have to go for it all. D.C., Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands statehood has to pass, those six new senators will be lovely, and the House has to expand by a ton. And also, the SC is thinking small, expand every court and create new ones, with one key litmus test: voting rights.  

[Varysblackfyre321]

Curious on anyone’s thoughts on this;
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/1343305/US-election-poll-donald-trump-coronavirus-covid-joe-biden-exclusive-polling/amp

@DMC

[Fragile Bird]

Omg, I just saw the Republican commercial for confirming Judge Barrett. They have JFK giving a speech about prejudice, giving examples of groups who have faced discrimination, and ending with ‘and I could be next as a Catholic’ while pictures of Barrett are flashed.

[Kalbear]

Yeah, looking like a real hero there

 

 

[Tywin et al.]

13 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

Omg, I just saw the Republican commercial for confirming Judge Barrett. They have JFK giving a speech about prejudice, giving examples of groups who have faced discrimination, and ending with ‘and I could be next as a Catholic’ while pictures of Barrett are flashed.

Aren't half the members of the court Catholics? 

[karaddin]

23 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

I've made it very clear over the years that I oppose court packing, but fuck it, the Republicans have already done that. We should be discussing how a 5-3 liberal court will change with a young conservative justice being added to it, but we're not. They played dirty, but within the technical rules. Democrats need to do the same if they capture the WH and both chambers, and they have to go for it all. D.C., Puerto Rico and Virgin Island statehood has to pass, those six new senators will be lovely, and the Hose has to expand by a ton. And also, the SC is thinking small, expand every court and create new ones, with one key litmus test: voting rights.  

Yeah I remembered you had been against it. In a sane world with a respectful opponent you'd be completely right too - we've just left both those things in our wake. If they needed to court pack they won't wait for the Dems to set the precedent so there's not really any meaningful reprisal to fear that won't come just from trying to make things better.

Bolded - yup, absolutely.

[Guy Kilmore]

38 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

I've made it very clear over the years that I oppose court packing, but fuck it, the Republicans have already done that. We should be discussing how a 5-3 liberal court will change with a young conservative justice being added to it, but we're not. They played dirty, but within the technical rules. Democrats need to do the same if they capture the WH and both chambers, and they have to go for it all. D.C., Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands statehood has to pass, those six new senators will be lovely, and the House has to expand by a ton. And also, the SC is thinking small, expand every court and create new ones, with one key litmus test: voting rights.  

Rescind the The Permanent Apportionment Act of 1929?

And I agree with you on fast tracking a voting rights case.

Maybe it doesn't matter, after you pack the courts, make a law making that difficult to do?  Just another thing that needs to get removed before the reprisals can begin?

[Tywin et al.]

7 minutes ago, Guy Kilmore said:

Rescind the The Permanent Apportionment Act of 1929?

If I had my way the Senate would have proportional representation too...

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And I agree with you on fast tracking a voting rights case.

Maybe it doesn't matter, after you pack the courts, make a law making that difficult to do?  Just another thing that needs to get removed before the reprisals can begin?

Nah, why bother? First, it's unnecessary, second, it's poor sport, third it will get struck down and fourth, you can't combat blatant hypocrisy with blatant hypocrisy while trying to say you're taking the honorable path. Just establish a pro-voting judiciary and things should right themselves, in theory.

And if it doesn't, than the people deserve their government. 

[ThinkerX]

The Trump fans on my Facebook have managed to become even more detached from reality with Trumps return to the white house.  As far s they are concerned this 'proves' that COVID 19 is nothing more than the common cold.  Assuming this mentality is national, then should Trump have a relapse (or die) this has the potential to get really ugly real fast.

 

[Tywin et al.]

9 minutes ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

I dunno, I had a “conversation” with a woman who believed that the fact that I’m a CPA With 20 years of experience and have a master’s degree in accounting and did a thesis on various tax law meant nothing against her very firm opinion that DJT did nothing wrong in deducting everything and the kitchen sink, including deducting his hairstyling.

They aren’t just detached from reality, they divorced reality and stuck reality with the bill.

I personally enjoy being told I actually know less about politics because I have a degree in poli sci and have worked for multiple elected officials. Thankfully also having the psych degree spooks some people because no one wants to be "analyzed" as they speak with you. 

[SpaceChampion]

7 hours ago, Leofric said:

"Don't be afraid of Covid.  Don't let it dominate your life."

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[A True Kaniggit]

At least Immortan Joe always wears a mask. 

[Tywin et al.]

48 minutes ago, karaddin said:

Yeah I remembered you had been against it. In a sane world with a respectful opponent you'd be completely right too - we've just left both those things in our wake. If they needed to court pack they won't wait for the Dems to set the precedent so there's not really any meaningful reprisal to fear that won't come just from trying to make things better.

Bolded - yup, absolutely.

This is what's critical. They'll project a hypothetical scenario in which Democrats will create a new precedent, so they'll just have to beat them to it. 

[Fragile Bird]

Biden tested negative today.

[The Anti-Targ]

1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said:

I've made it very clear over the years that I oppose court packing, but fuck it, the Republicans have already done that. We should be discussing how a 5-3 liberal court will change with a young conservative justice being added to it, but we're not. They played dirty, but within the technical rules. Democrats need to do the same if they capture the WH and both chambers, and they have to go for it all. D.C., Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands statehood has to pass, those six new senators will be lovely, and the House has to expand by a ton. And also, the SC is thinking small, expand every court and create new ones, with one key litmus test: voting rights.  

Court packing is surely a Pandora's box for Democrats, because anything they can do Republicans can do better, when it comes to stacking the deck in their ideological favour. You would have to basically rely on Republicans never getting control of all the houses again. Because as soon as they do they will do their own packing. 

[Centrist Simon Steele]

2 hours ago, kairparavel said:

It's amazing that if only Biden had/will act how exactly *you* want everything would work out A.O.K.

At this point, I'd accept him actually doing something. I mean, anything. It's funny though, when I criticize Biden, it's all, "Wah wah, you want it this way, that's dumb." But if it's anyone else, advice galore. Kind of the point of this thread. 

[Guy Kilmore]

5 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

Court packing is surely a Pandora's box for Democrats, because anything they can do Republicans can do better, when it comes to stacking the deck in their ideological favour. You would have to basically rely on Republicans never getting control of all the houses again. Because as soon as they do they will do their own packing. 

Right now your choice.....have courts tilted heavily in Republican's favor (packed).  Or pack them and at least have an opportunity to do stuff, knowing that your work can be turned around later.  That's it.  This Pandora's box has been pretty much opened.

 

Now if you do Tywin's suggestion of working on voter's right's legislation, you can make it VERY difficult for them to get the House and the Presidency.

[Castellan]

a bit of refreshment. Its not that recent, you may have seen it already.