boltons are sick Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) I have been thinking about this for some time and I realized that despite House Lannister's reputation as "villains" or "evil" among the fandom, they have no members that qualify as Complete Monsters according to TV Tropes's criteria (you can read more about that here). Joffrey does qualify as a Complete Monster, but I am not sure if I would call him a Lannister because he doesn't know about Cersei and Jaime's relationship, thinks he is a true heir to Robert Baratheon and tries to emulate him and even bemoans Tywin Lannister for being a "coward" unlike Robert who showed bravery and took the crown from the Targaryens. So, in terms of feeling of belonding, he is not a Lannister, but technically a Baratheon even if he doesn't share blood with Robert. From the rest of House Lannister, Cersei, Tywin, Tyrion, Jaime and the rest don't qualify as Complete Monsters. Meanwhile, House Targaryen and House Greyjoy each have two members that qualify as Complete Monster (Show!Aerys and both versions of Maegor for Targaryen and both versions of Euron and Book!Dalton for Greyjoy), but despite this, they don't really have reputation as "villains" among the fandom. Here are their Complete Monster entries: Literature & Live-Action TV canon King Maegor I Targaryen, the First of His Name, and also known as Maegor the Cruel, usurped the throne from his nephew and promptly decapitated the one Archmaester who protested. As king, Maegor turned to brutal tactics to suppress the Faith of the Seven, even riding on his dragon Balerion to burn down a Sept with all worshippers inside, using archers to pick off stragglers. Maegor proceeded to commit massacre after massacre, even passing off the skulls of poor smallfolk in the wrong place at the wrong time as members of the Faith's warriors. Worse still was Maegor's attitudes towards family, as he killed his own nephew in combat. When one of his wives gave birth to a "stillborn monstrosity", Maegor had her, everyone at the birth, and her entire family executed. Obsessed with having an heir, Maegor forcibly married three women, including his own niece. After having the Red Keep constructed, Maegor also had the builders massacred to keep its secrets to himself. The books further reveal Maegor cut the limbs off a leader of the Poor Fellows and had another nephew tortured to death. A Song of Ice and Fire Euron Greyjoy, captain of the Silence, is the evilest of the Ironborn and perhaps the most wicked man to ever raise a sail. Having murdered his elder brother as a child, he later murdered the infant Robin while molesting his brothers Aeron and Urrigon. Scorning all taboos and gods alike, Euron was later exiled by his brother Balon and took to reaving and murdering all across the world. Killing and raping countless innocents, Euron has Balon murdered and returns to claim the Seastone Chair, killing all who object in sadistically inventive ways. Capturing his brother Aeron, Euron subjects him to nightmarish psychological torture while having the Shield Islands sacked and their nobles raped and murdered. Taking his pregnant mistress Falia Flowers, Euron removes her tongue to be lashed to the prow with Aeron and numerous other holy men and warlocks whom he has tortured, with the intent to use them as a sacrifice in an upcoming battle. Planning on nothing less than to rise as a new god from the graves and charnel pits, Euron plots the apocalypse to reshape himself into something new and terrible. The World of Ice & Fire; Archmaester Gyldayn's Histories; Fire & Blood Dalton Greyjoy, one of the earlier Greyjoys, aka the "Red Kraken" and Lord-Reaper of Pyke during the Dance of the Dragons, began his reaving when he was only a boy. At the age of 12, Dalton began killing men and taking salt-wives for his own, with numerous successful raids behind him. During the Dance, Dalton indulged his bloodlust by raiding up and down the west coast, sacking cities and taking hundreds of women as salt-wives while quickly tiring of women and passing others to his brothers if he did not find them attractive enough. Attacking even noble houses and plotting to sack and conquer even pillars of Westeros such as Oldtown, Dalton was only stopped after one such salt-wife, known as Tess, opened his throat in revenge for her rape as he slept. Game of Thrones & Histories & Lore King Aerys II Targaryen, aka the Mad King, grew into a paranoid pyromaniac and one of the worst of his family's dynasty. Terrified of any threats to his power, Aerys begins murdering or torturing those who incense him, having one man's tongue torn out for making a joke. Becoming obsessed with the destructive wildfire, Aerys uses it to burn entire cities when he deems them to house traitors, even inviting a Northern lord to the capital before burning him alive when Aerys's son is accused of kidnapping the lord's daughter. His tyranny causing a massive rebellion, Aerys goes to war hoping to exterminate all Houses who oppose him, and eventually plans to burn all of King's Landing and his own half-a-million citizens within to kill his attacking enemies. Euron Greyjoy was banished from the Iron Islands after having burned the Lannisport fleet. Following the "Old Way" on the high seas, Euron took slaves by the thousands to trade or for sex, having any sailors who fought back tortured to death. At one point, Euron tore the tongues out of his own entire crew for interrupting his thoughts, despite them just having saved his life. Returning to murder his brother Balon and claim the Salt Throne, Euron joins Queen Cersei Lannister in a war to conquer Westeros, later having a defeated enemy fleet mutilated while planning to spread his pillaging worldwide. Just to be clear, I am not saying that Houses Targaryen and Greyjoy are "villains" or "evil" (or any House for that matter because you can't lump an entire noble House under this category). I am just saying that House Lannister has no real members that qualify as Complete Monsters because Joffrey who qualifies for this trope doesn't think of himself as a Lannister, but thinks of himself as a Baratheon while Houses Targaryen and Greyjoy have two members each that qualify as Complete Monsters, but despite this, these two noble Houses don't have the same negative reputation like the Lannisters among the fandom. Edited January 26 by boltons are sick Ser Arthurs Dawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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