UK Politics: No Bully XL for you

[Heartofice]

2 minutes ago, Spockydog said:

I wonder what they think will happen to their children when some Tommy Robinson type is running the country in twenty years. 

Hopefully someone would have actually done something about immigration before then.

[BigFatCoward]

12 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

Hopefully someone would have actually done something about immigration before then.

Just 'do' something, like what? If people are desperate enough they will get in. 

[Spockydog]

You do realise that forced migration is only going to increase over the next twenty years. What do you think people are going to do when there is literally no water to drink or food to eat, and it's 45 degrees outside for months on end? This little temperate island on the edge of the Atlantic is going to be an even more enticing destination by then. 

If these Tory cunts really wanted to lower migration they would be looking at the reasons why these poor people are having to flee their homes. And trying to do something about that. 

Instead,we have cunts like 30p Lee and Braverman, going all Enoch Powell on steroids. 

[Heartofice]

8 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said:

Just 'do' something, like what? If people are desperate enough they will get in. 

Well finding ways to prevent people coming in illegally and then removing them if we don’t want them here. Plus cutting down legal numbers as well.

Holding your hands and going ‘there’s nothing we can do guv’ is a fast way to get someone like Tommy Robinson in power. We should have learnt this lesson by now.

Edited October 5, 2023 by Heartofice

[Spockydog]

How about "Tough on immigrants. Tough on the causes of immigrants."

Oh, no. Can't have that, 'cos that would mean doing something about all the war and climate change. 

[Tywin et al.]

They're not trying to solve the issue. Tories want to be cruel while letting the problem continue because in their political calculation they think it benefits them. And sadly they're probably right. Another US/UK overlap. 

 

Edited October 5, 2023 by Tywin et al.

[Heartofice]

9 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

They're not trying to solve the issue. Tories want to be cruel while letting the problem continue because in their political calculation they think it benefits them. And sadly they're probably right. Another US/UK overlap. 

 

They are not competent enough to solve the issue. They are also still blindly attached to a neoliberal approach to large scale mass cheap immigration and use nasty rhetoric to cover for that fact. 

[Tywin et al.]

29 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

They are not competent enough to solve the issue. They are also still blindly attached to a neoliberal approach to large scale mass cheap immigration and use nasty rhetoric to cover for that fact. 

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but again the point is they don't want to and believe it benefits them to not do so. 

[Heartofice]

3 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but again the point is they don't want to and believe it benefits them to not do so. 

Nah, I don’t buy that, incompetence is usually the main reason everything Tory related.

[Tywin et al.]

5 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

Nah, I don’t buy that, incompetence is usually the main reason everything Tory related.

Being incompetent in the general sense doesn't exclude one from accurately identifying their base enjoys the cruelty of your politics.  

[mormont]

2 hours ago, BigFatCoward said:

Just 'do' something, like what?

Hopefully, opened legal and safe routes for immigration, increased overall levels of immigration, established sensible, humane and managed asylum policies, worked with our neighbours in an open way that acknowledges our responsibilities under international law and our moral responsibilities as a participant in the international community, and all sorts of other things that would actually address the real problem and not the hyped up nonsense we get in the media instead.

But, well, if wishes were horses.

[A Horse Named Stranger]

Now you made me blush.

[Heartofice]

14 minutes ago, mormont said:

Hopefully, opened legal and safe routes for immigration, increased overall levels of immigration, established sensible, humane and managed asylum policies, worked with our neighbours in an open way that acknowledges our responsibilities under international law and our moral responsibilities as a participant in the international community, and all sorts of other things that would actually address the real problem and not the hyped up nonsense we get in the media instead.

But, well, if wishes were horses.

This is such a standard left wing answer to this question. The answer to how do we cut immigration is.. by having more immigration.

It's laughable but it's said so often. It really highlights the issues the left still have with the concept, they literally can see no downside to mass immigration, it can only be a good thing, and so when the overwhelming majority of the country tell you they want less immigration, they don't actually listen to them, they give them the opposite. 

It's no wonder you get the Bravermans of the world putting out their rhetoric when the options on the other side are so poorly considered.

[Tywin et al.]

Lolz. The left wing answer is when dealing with a migration/immigration problem is to try your best to be kind. The right wing response is frankly evil and to punish them as much as they can. 

Think about that for a minute because there's only going to be more displaced people in the future and fyi, conservative policy decisions are exacerbating the issue. Which again is why I said before it's intentional. 

Edited October 5, 2023 by Tywin et al.

[Heartofice]

8 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Lolz. The left wing answer is when dealing with a migration/immigration problem is to try your best to be kind. The right wing response is frankly evil and to punish them as much as they can. 

Sigh. 

[mormont]

You referred to doing something about immigration. Not about there being too much immigration. It's telling that these mean the same thing to you, but there you are.

[Heartofice]

31 minutes ago, mormont said:

You referred to doing something about immigration. Not about there being too much immigration. It's telling that these mean the same thing to you, but there you are.

Lol!!

I mean if your first reaction to someone suggesting we need to do something about immigration is say we need more immigration then it’s hard to think of how anyone could be any more out of touch 

[Tywin et al.]

24 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

Lol!!

I mean if your first reaction to someone suggesting we need to do something about immigration is say we need more immigration then it’s hard to think of how anyone could be any more out of touch 

From the numerous articles I've read immigration to the UK is somewhere between neutral to positive in most regards. The only common pushback, which almost never uses data, is that it's bad for traditional English culture.

Oftentimes there's a reliance on fear based rhetoric. As an example from the US, conservatives constantly link immigration to increases in crime without recognizing that first generation immigrants consistently commit crime at a lower rate than the average public. But who gives a shit about data when you're trying to win an election, right? 

 

[Rippounet]

According to the UN, water scarcity alone will displace up to 700 million people by 2030. Predictions are of over a billion people by 2050, and up to 3 billion by 2100.

[Kalbear]

Ain't the point. 

The point is that there are going to be a lot of people that do want to limit immigration - especially illegal immigration, but immigration as a rule. That is a human thing that isn't going to go away. It sucks! But it's going to be there.

Now if your answer to dealing with that is by saying 'we will do even more immigration' they will simply look to others who will answer that more to their liking. That ain't an answer. And as more migrants pop up - which they will, in increasing numbers from a whole lot of places where people don't look like UK tories - that instinctual feeling will just drive them more to that.

And then they'll pick people whose answer to immigrants is 'shoot them'. And your choice to not answer this in any meaningful way will mean that those people are going to win quite a lot.