A Horse Named Stranger Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 21 hours ago, Fragile Bird said: Geez, I miss pages and pages of DMC, Kal and Ty arguing. I must admit for a fairly progressive community this love for The Honeymooners is kinda weird. To the moon, Ty. But yeah, I miss DMC, too. It wasn't just US politics threads. That also happened in the NBA threads. To the moon, Ty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: I must admit for a fairly progressive community this love for The Honeymooners is kinda weird. To the moon, Ty. But yeah, I miss DMC, too. It wasn't just US politics threads. That also happened in the NBA threads. To the moon, Ty. You wanna check out a really wild ride, check out the book The Honeymooners by Chuck Kinder. He's the real world inspiration for Michael Douglas's character in Wonder Boys, the film adapted from Michael Chabon's book of the same name. Kinder was best friends with Raymond Carver, and the book is about their antics. It's PG Wodehouse meets Tom Wolfe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaston de Foix Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 46 minutes ago, Larry of the Lawn said: You wanna check out a really wild ride, check out the book The Honeymooners by Chuck Kinder. He's the real world inspiration for Michael Douglas's character in Wonder Boys, the film adapted from Michael Chabon's book of the same name. Kinder was best friends with Raymond Carver, and the book is about their antics. It's PG Wodehouse meets Tom Wolfe. Should I read the The Honeymooners (book) if I never watched the Honeymooners (movie), Wonder Boys (movie) or Wonder Boys (book)? Like where does one start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Vague unsubstantiated rumors that Trump has been ordered to divulge the identities of third parties with significant stakes in his businesses. If so (probably not), then given the likely identity of some of those third parties, is this where Trump has to be careful around windows? And should such a calamity happen, how will his followers go about blaming it on the evil liberals? DireWolfSpirit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 hours ago, ThinkerX said: Vague unsubstantiated rumors that Trump has been ordered to divulge the identities of third parties with significant stakes in his businesses. If so (probably not), then given the likely identity of some of those third parties, is this where Trump has to be careful around windows? And should such a calamity happen, how will his followers go about blaming it on the evil liberals? They don’t care about his lies. They don’t care about his graft. They don’t care about anything but defending their cult leader. He is telling blatent and easily refuted crap at this point (you can kill babies after birth) and they still buy into his horseshit. I’m not sure there is anything he can say or do that will pull away his die hards. Mindwalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 43 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: They don’t care about his lies. They don’t care about his graft. They don’t care about anything but defending their cult leader. He is telling blatent and easily refuted crap at this point (you can kill babies after birth) and they still buy into his horseshit. I’m not sure there is anything he can say or do that will pull away his die hards. It is not about pulling away Trump's diehards. It is what those diehards may do should Trump 'accidentally fall out of a window' if/when he divulges the third parties with a vested interest in his company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phylum of Alexandria Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 9 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: I’m not sure there is anything he can say or do that will pull away his die hards. Only one thing: put a "D" after his name. Durckad, TrackerNeil and Rippounet 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 RFK is running as an independent. In general it is a bad sign for incumbents to have any 3rd parties run, at least historically, but as Nate Silver said recently it may be more damaging to Trump than Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Ive heard that as well that RFK will pull support mainly from the same loons that insanely buy into the Trump lies. They should just get married and be done with it. I remember how savagely people used to attack Ted Kennedy, what this country wouldnt benefit to have him back currently and to see the unfortunate stain RFKJr is visiting on that name is yet the latest family tragedy for that clan. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 "And should such a calamity happen,....... Seriously I think you conflate a blessing with a calamity. Were that to happen the World would be fortunate. kissdbyfire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Phylum of Alexandria said: Only one thing: put a "D" after his name. Nope… not even that. They are invested in him… not in any party… Jace, Extat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phylum of Alexandria Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 11 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Nope… not even that. They are invested in him… not in any party… See there I disagree. Trump is not unconditionally immune from the crowd he empowers. Like any rabble rouser, he is immune because he tells the rabble what they want to hear. Note that people had no problem booing him when he tried to take credit for the COVID vaccine. He veered away from their preferred narrative, and they voiced their displeasure. I think him going against the narrative that Dems are evil would be a step too far, as it "Dems = Evil" has become one of the foundational components of their identity. They would likely give him some grace time to clarify his position back to the correct one, but if, by some miraculous brain aneurysm, Trump emphatically expressed his devotion to the Democratic party, he would be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 McCarthy Floats Return as Divided G.O.P. Meets to Choose a Speaker Less than a week after his ouster, the former speaker indicated he would be open to reinstatement as Republicans prepared to discuss whom to nominate to succeed him https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/09/us/politics/mccarthy-speaker.html JGP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: They are invested in him… not in any party… This is so true. Listening to public radio 'interviewing' the fascists in New Hampshire where both Halley and @# RealFascist were at the same time, the geezers bloviated about "...she is just a politician. We hate politicians. He's NOT a politician and that is why we LOVE him." He's just lovin' this horror show in the Middle East. He literally danced himself off the stage after a long diatribe that all of it is Biden's fault, and would never have happened when he runs things. Best gift both him and Bibi have gotten in months. Edited October 9, 2023 by Zorral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartIheartTesla Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 In the past, DJT has floated the idea of launching strikes into Mexico for...well, the exact reasons arent particularly important. Hopefully this latest ME crisis hasnt given him any ideas or added impetus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 4 hours ago, Phylum of Alexandria said: ..."Dems = Evil" has become one of the foundational components of their identity... Any time you are talking to someone, and they express some form of "Dems = Evil" idea, you know that you aren't talking to someone who is serious about civic engagement. It used to be that the GOP was a party unified by fairly strict set of political ideas, while the Democrats were basically a coalition of various interests and passions. Obviously that idea about the GOP is now broken, but trying to find a "typical Democrat" is unlikely to come up with anyone from reality. Some Ds are economically conservative, some Ds are socially conservative, some Ds are fiscally conservative, and others are not. Some Ds are energized by social justice, some by conservation and ecology, some by legal justice, and others are not. But anyone whose argument is that all Democrats are evil is excluding all of those ideas, covering almost the entirety of the political spectrum, from "proper political thought". A responsible Republican can agree on some points and disagree on others with a Democrat without throwing all American ideals into the dumpster. And that is why the Culture Wars are stupid and counter-productive to actual governing or civic engagement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Trump Falsely Claims Forbes ‘Attacked’ Him After He Falls Off 400 List https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2023/10/09/trump-falsely-claims-forbes-attacked-him-after-he-falls-off-400-list/?sh=2b183b017968 Quote Trump blasted the “Fake Forbes 400” list in a post on his Truth Social platform, baselessly claiming Forbes is “China owned” and had “attacked” him by not putting him “high up” on the ranking of the 400 richest Americans. Forbes’ response: “Removed from The Forbes 400, Trump responds as he always has—by lying about his net worth and saying he should be higher on the list. We take extraordinary care in valuing his fortune, and our ownership—which does not include China’s wealth fund—plays no role in that effort. Twice a year, we publish a detailed breakdown of our work, offering a far more accurate portrayal of Trump’s personal balance sheet than the fictitious documents the Trump Organization has created over the years.” kissdbyfire, Prince of the North, Mindwalker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackerNeil Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) On 10/9/2023 at 8:13 PM, Wilbur said: It used to be that the GOP was a party unified by fairly strict set of political ideas Perhaps the most striking lesson of 2016 is that the bulk of Republican voters don't give a shit about federalism or states' rights or fiscal sobriety or limited government. Hell, they don't even care that much about morality; the God Squad squeaked and squawked against Trump until he won the nomination, and then they meekly fell in line. The politics of resentment--racial, social, cultural--are more than enough to get Republicans to the polls. Trump's real political acumen lay in recognizing that fact--he simply detached the conservative forebrain and appealed directly to what was left over, discarding the usual dogwhistles for a giant foghorn. (Although its important to remember that, even with this canny insight, Trump never assembled a real majority behind him. He won the nomination because his many rivals never unified against him, and he won the general election by getting super lucky with the Electoral College. So his strategy, while clever, requires a great deal of good fortune.) Edited October 11, 2023 by TrackerNeil Phylum of Alexandria, Prince of the North, timmett and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Mr If-that-is-his-real-name charged with superseding indictment, 23 felonies: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/10/politics/george-santos-superseding-indictment-doj/index.html Zorral, Prince of the North, Ser Scot A Ellison and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 The more the merrier! Movin' into the season, ya no. Mindwalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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