US Politics: Courting Justice...or Disaster?

[Larry of the Lawn]

16 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

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As for the second there's another problem, I don't think stillbirth would be prosecutable as alas it's god will and he does shitty stuff for reasons.

Well women have already been prosecuted for miscarriages so I'm not sure why a law like this would stop these freaks 

Edited February 25 by Larry of the Lawn

[kissdbyfire]

The South Carolina primary is open.

Who can vote in the S.C. primary?

South Carolina's primaries are open to all voters, regardless of party.

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/23/south-carolina-republican-primary-trump-haley

 

On the IVF insanity, Mother & Father Pence can’t be against it, right?

Former Vice President Mike Pence disclosed in his book 'So Help Me God' that his wife Karen underwent IVF as they struggled with infertility in their marriage. 
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13114235/republicans-ivf-alabama-supreme-court-embryo-ruling.html

[DireWolfSpirit]

2 hours ago, Bironic said:

and the men for assessory to murder…

I think this is a key point.

Under Alabama logic, any abortion should be punishable as murder by the mother and also acessory to that murder by the sperm donor, whether artificial or natural (which would include sperm from intercourse).

You have to follow the entire chain of actions to grasp the entire absurdity of the childish Alabama court.

Lets apply the Death penalty (for pregnant mother and sperm acessory father) to put a Alabama cherry on the enforcement end.

Alabama is still a Death Penalty state I believe, lets kill the people the fuckers (and I mean the literal fuckers) in Alabama that'll restore Gawd, Gawdammit!

[kissdbyfire]

3 minutes ago, DireWolfSpirit said:

Lets apply the Death penalty

Since you bring up the death penalty, there’s also this:

Charlie Kirk Wants Coca-Cola to Sponsor Televised Executions

https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlie-kirk-wants-coca-cola-to-sponsor-televised-executions#:~:text=It should be public%2C it,be forced to watch it.

[Bironic]

2 hours ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

I'm pretty sure SC has a closed primary. So those Haley never (again) Trumpers would be registered Republicans

SC primary is open to all voters

ah I see @kissdbyfire has already posted it

Edited February 25 by Bironic

[Zorral]

https://wapo.st/3wopzDI  Gift link.

US Struggles for influence as military juntas -- particlarly extemist religious juntas backed by Russia -- expand across Africa.

Edited February 25 by Zorral

[SeanF]

15 hours ago, kissdbyfire said:

JFC, how can this nutter not only be a judge but the Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court????????

 

Well, they voted in Roy Moore - twice.

[SeanF]

11 hours ago, Quijote Light said:

Don’t forget that Roy Moore twice held the same position. The second time after having been originally removed for defying a federal order. 

Charlie Graddick, former Attorney General, who promised to "fry them until their eyeballs pop out and smoke comes out of their ears" was actually the left wing challenger to Moore in the primary.

[LongRider]

5 hours ago, kissdbyfire said:

Since you bring up the death penalty, there’s also this:

Charlie Kirk Wants Coca-Cola to Sponsor Televised Executions

https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlie-kirk-wants-coca-cola-to-sponsor-televised-executions#:~:text=It should be public%2C it,be forced to watch it.

Considering America's long history of lynching African Americans, many which were made into a spectacle for a crowd, bodies left up for all to see, photos in the newspaper, ect; ad nauseum.  This is a revolting idea.  

edt; actually, it's just a revolting idea all around

 

Edited February 25 by LongRider

[DanteGabriel]

1 hour ago, LongRider said:

Considering America's long history of lynching African Americans, many which were made into a spectacle for a crowd, bodies left up for all to see, photos in the newspaper, ect; ad nauseum.  This is a revolting idea.  

edt; actually, it's just a revolting idea all around

 

I am firmly convinced that the "Nazi child masturbating in the bathroom" from "Knives Out" is based on Charlie Kirk.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

8 hours ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

I'm pretty sure SC has a closed primary. So those Haley never (again) Trumpers would be registered Republicans.

As for the second there's another problem, I don't think stillbirth would be prosecutable as alas it's god will and he does shitty stuff for reasons. Alas, people with IVF experience may well correct me here. IVF clinics also use several fertilized eggs, which could lead to a multiple pregnancy (to not put the women through more procedures than necessary), if I am not mistaken. Carrying a pregnancy with more than one fetus to term is more risky for women and feti.

Like I said that Alabama ruling is horrendous on many, many levels. So let's wait for Alito penning the majority opinion, once it reaches the Supremes.

The SC primaries, both of them, are open.  If you are a registered voter you may vote in one.  I still think we should be able to vote in both.

[A Horse Named Stranger]

Thanks, you ar enow the third poster to correct me on the SC primary.

Let's see how long Haley can hang in there. In a few months Trump's campaign to run out of cash due to his legal bills.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

6 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

Thanks, you ar enow the third poster to correct me on the SC primary.

Let's see how long Haley can hang in there. In a few months Trump's campaign to run out of cash due to his legal bills.

I caught her presser after losing on SCETV.  She sounded like she had won…

[DireWolfSpirit]

She pretty much has to stay in while theres so much unresolved with the legal cases agaist Trump slowly playing out.

[Phylum of Alexandria]

On 2/24/2024 at 1:15 PM, A Horse Named Stranger said:

That would only work if those so called Christians were consistent in their beliefs and not practising Biblical textualism a la carte.

The focus of my comment wasn't on the so-called Christians, it was on the edge lords and Rogan bros, who flitter between libertarianism and a decidedly secular type of authoritarianism. A lot of these guys are probably already divided on the issue of abortion, and most of them would be against banning birth control, or porn, etc.

Like any culture war issue, the more they are affected directly, the more soberly they start to view the matter.  And I'm not talking absolutes, or everyone. But large chunks of the secular portion of MAGA will be concerned at the very least by such stories, providing potential for some of the concerned to reconsider their vote for this November.

[Larry of the Lawn]

31 minutes ago, Phylum of Alexandria said:

The focus of my comment wasn't on the so-called Christians, it was on the edge lords and Rogan bros, who flitter between libertarianism and a decidedly secular type of authoritarianism. A lot of these guys are probably already divided on the issue of abortion, and most of them would be against banning birth control, or porn, etc.

Like any culture war issue, the more they are affected directly, the more soberly they start to view the matter.  And I'm not talking absolutes, or everyone. But large chunks of the secular portion of MAGA will be concerned at the very least by such stories, providing potential for some of the concerned to reconsider their vote for this November.

 

I don't think the more nihilist, secular, Trump voters give a shit. 

I wish people did the math that way but I think voter behavior is way less rational than that.  Most of the Joe Rogan crowd probably doesn't vote, and if they do, the function that predicts that decision isn't plottable on a Cartesian plane.  They might be for legalizing all drugs and abortions for everyone but like the aesthetics of Trump.  

Plus they lean heavily in the misogyny direction.  

I think Joe Biden has terrible politics, isn't taking a firm enough stance against genocide, has been hyping up the economy even though if you're in the bottom half of it, you are likely struggling more than you were 4 years ago (and I get that's not Biden's fault), and has been slow playing the student loan stuff to give younger (under 50) voters a boon closer to the election instead of using the more legally sound (of tedious) mechanism right of the bat instead of the emergency clause.

I think he's played a large role in the shitty political state the US we find ourselves in.  

I'm still gonna vote for him.  I'm not excited about or proud of it, but I'm voting for a guy I largely do not agree with.  I'm sure there are people like me on the other side. Maybe not a lot, but some.  

 

[Phylum of Alexandria]

20 minutes ago, Larry of the Lawn said:

I'm still gonna vote for him.  I'm not excited about or proud of it, but I'm voting for a guy I largely do not agree with.  I'm sure there are people like me on the other side. Maybe not a lot, but some.  

Sure. But again, we're not talking absolutes. And the more that people feel like they will be personally impacted by a policy in a way they don't like, the probability they support the movement that pushes the policy decreases. Maybe the decrease in probability is small, but it's plottable on the Cartesian plane. 

[kissdbyfire]

Holy fuck, this is horrible.

A man set himself on fire outside the Israeli Embassy in Washington, the police said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/middleeast/a-self-immolation-outside-the-israeli-embassy-in-the-capital-leads-to-a-bomb-squad-inquiry-the-police-said.html

 

[TrackerNeil]

I've been thinking about these Democratic concerns about Biden's age. Leaving aside my belief that this is something based largely on Fox Noise propaganda, I wonder...what would be the alternative?

If Biden decided, today, to retire after this term, he'd be turning over the choice of his replacement to party brokers, right? They won't make that decision until the summer, which means whoever is crowned will have to cobble together a campaign almost instantly and start running for president less than three months before the election.

And who would the party pick? Kamala Harris, who is less popular than Biden? If they go with her, they likely lose, but if they pass her over, leftists will shriek about a black woman being passed over. Even if Harris declines the nomination, there will be a giant battle, and you'd better believe that it won't be the Gretchen Whitmers and Andy Beshears who have the whip hand. During all of this, the media, who love "Democrats in disarray" narratives, will portray the race as between essentially equivalent candidates, just as they did in 2016.

Replacing Biden is just not a realistic option unless we want to make Trump's victory even more likely. 

[Larry of the Lawn]

12 minutes ago, TrackerNeil said:

I've been thinking about these Democratic concerns about Biden's age. Leaving aside my belief that this is something based largely on Fox Noise propaganda, I wonder...what would be the alternative?

If Biden decided, today, to retire after this term, he'd be turning over the choice of his replacement to party brokers, right? They won't make that decision until the summer, which means whoever is crowned will have to cobble together a campaign almost instantly and start running for president less than three months before the election.

And who would the party pick? Kamala Harris, who is less popular than Biden? If they go with her, they likely lose, but if they pass her over, leftists will shriek about a black woman being passed over. Even if Harris declines the nomination, there will be a giant battle, and you'd better believe that it won't be the Gretchen Whitmers and Andy Beshears who have the whip hand. During all of this, the media, who love "Democrats in disarray" narratives, will portray the race as between essentially equivalent candidates, just as they did in 2016.

Replacing Biden is just not a realistic option unless we want to make Trump's victory even more likely. 

100%.  This was also a completely foreseeable issue that was discussed in 2020.  Harris was one of the weakest candidates in 2020 and she's not particularly likeable (not that likeability has ever stopped Dems from pushing a candidate).  For better or worse, Biden is the candidate that has been foisted on Dem voters.  A lot of us never had a shot to vote in a primary in 2020, and it's functionally the same this year.  

 

Edited February 25 by Larry of the Lawn