Stego Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Just a heads up, BWB: If I find out those trolls on George's LJ are any of you, you'll no longer be welcome at any BWB events. I'm bloody sick and tired of seeing the man trolled and insulted on his own internet journal. If I see one more bloody post anywhere about his mortality, the same rule will apply. There are many FRIENDS of George around here, and I do not appreciate people talking about the mortality of my friends, and I would hope you feel the same. Besides which, if any of those despicable cretins had ever partied with George, they would know full well he will outlive the cockroach. In other news, BWB website grand reopening! (In, you know, just a few months.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iceman of the North Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 [quote name='Stego' post='1512147' date='Sep 10 2008, 11.03']In other news, BWB website grand reopening! (In, you know, just a few months.)[/quote] Still the ever optimist, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Stego, Yes, sadly, GRRM has to deal with lots of complaints about the production speed of his work. It will get here when it gets here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Scot: not to speak for Stego, but I don't think he is talking about people who 'complain about the production speed of his [GRRM's] work'. People are entitled to do that without being banned. He is talking about the (very small) handful of individuals who are in a completely different class. People who are not posting 'complaints' but 'gratuitous personal abuse'. People who, rather than express a [i]hope[/i] that the book will be done soon, rudely [i]demand[/i] that it is. People who use the anonymity of the internet to hurl insults and attack GRRM, his friends, and his family. Idiots, in other words. I think we can all agree that such people are not fans, and are not likely to be very good company. I won't miss 'em. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isis Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Phew. I thought I was going to open this and get told off for responding to trolls. I know I shouldn't but I guess I'll never learn. :dunce: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Ugg, I'd like to [i]hope[/i] that none of those trolls are people we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padraig Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Sometimes trolls need to be responded to. Especially when they attack people you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronn Stone Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 GRRM needs to suck it up and just give Stego admin rights over his LJ. I'd pay to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I've said it before, and suggested it more than once, that GRRM should set up a closed posting community with a few admins to help deal with the trolling. It'd clean up real quick. At least he has his assistant Ty helping with the more onerous trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 mormont, [quote name='mormont' post='1512268' date='Sep 10 2008, 08.39']Scot: not to speak for Stego, but I don't think he is talking about people who 'complain about the production speed of his [GRRM's] work'. People are entitled to do that without being banned. He is talking about the (very small) handful of individuals who are in a completely different class. People who are not posting 'complaints' but 'gratuitous personal abuse'. People who, rather than express a [i]hope[/i] that the book will be done soon, rudely [i]demand[/i] that it is. People who use the anonymity of the internet to hurl insults and attack GRRM, his friends, and his family. Idiots, in other words. I think we can all agree that such people are not fans, and are not likely to be very good company. I won't miss 'em. ;)[/quote] I understand the distinction. I've argued with some of GRRM's personal trolls on his LJ from time to time. They are very unpleasent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 The thing that gets me about these trolls is that they are absolutely fucking morons. They make stuff up which is just utter bullshit and then run off and cry when they get called on it. This is one gem: [quote name='LJ Fucktard vs Me']"I preordered AFFC in early 2001 from Amazon!" Really? The book didn't even [i]exist[/i] until September of that year and Amazon didn't create a listing for it until months later. So how did you mange that?[/quote] Sometimes you have no choice but to go a'trollhunting. If you want real comedy, go check out the [url="http://www.amazon.com/Dance-Dragons-Song-Ice-Fire/dp/0553801473/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217352831&sr=8-10"]topic forum[/url] for the ADWD hardcover on Amazon.com. Awesome stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stego Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 In retrospect, this may have been 'too angry' of a post. I just spent some time last evening reading the replies to his last few entries in his LJ, and I admit I was infuriated. It was quite obvious at Worldcon that these trolls genuinely distressed George. I had never heard him say a negative word about his fans before, but this was brought up immediately when he was asked about them. References to Misery were made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears of Lys Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Oh, shit. That's distressing. Ran's idea sounds like the only answer. When you're in a high-profile position (as a top-selling author) and easily accessible to asshole trolls, there's no other option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCloskey Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I cant wait for ADWD and have complained about the progress being made on it. But have some freaking class! What good does it do to insult the very man whose work you are anticipating? I dont get it. To any Trolls out there: GET A LIFE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isis Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 [quote name='Stego' post='1512624' date='Sep 10 2008, 17.40']In retrospect, this may have been 'too angry' of a post.[/quote]Nah, I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LugaJetboyGirl Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 [quote name='mormont' post='1512268' date='Sep 10 2008, 07.39']Scot: not to speak for Stego, but I don't think he is talking about people who 'complain about the production speed of his [GRRM's] work'. People are entitled to do that without being banned. He is talking about the (very small) handful of individuals who are in a completely different class. People who are not posting 'complaints' but 'gratuitous personal abuse'. People who, rather than express a [i]hope[/i] that the book will be done soon, rudely [i]demand[/i] that it is. People who use the anonymity of the internet to hurl insults and attack GRRM, his friends, and his family.[/quote] And in particular, people who visit someone's personal live journal and respond about the person in the third person, as if they're not there. I just can't comprehend all these people who talk about GRRM in the third person on his own LJ, as if it is some random forum, floating out in the interweb. In a way, I think it is even ruder then sending him a nasty letter, since it is a direct response to GRRM's post but written as if it is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoN Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Eh, love you Stego, and I love GRRM, but I don't think he really needs the BwB to act as the fucking Kingsguard to protect him from mean people on the internet. He already has a personal assistant deleting posts that he feels are abusive, I don't see any point in wasting any more energy on it. A public figure, posting on a public forum is going to attract trolls. Just a fact of celebrity and internet life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaston de Foix Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 [quote name='Ghost of Nymeria' post='1513500' date='Sep 11 2008, 10.58']Eh, love you Stego, and I love GRRM, but I don't think he really needs the BwB to act as the fucking Kingsguard to protect him from mean people on the internet. He already has a personal assistant deleting posts that he feels are abusive, I don't see any point in wasting any more energy on it. A public figure, posting on a public forum is going to attract trolls. Just a fact of celebrity and internet life.[/quote] eh, I don't think Stego was saying it's the BWB's job to protect George. He's just suggesting that if he discovers that those who say mean things about George are part of the BWB community he's going to exclude them from future events. Which you know, is fair enough. Although I think it unlikely that there's any overlap. Besides I understood him to be speaking as a [i]friend [/i] in his own right. That said, I think the best thing to do is just to ignore these people as you suggest, rather than waste time arguing with those who think personal abuse is a legitimate form of debate. It reminds me of that classic new yorker cartoon, of the guy who can't go to bed yet becuase there's someone wrong on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 That's actually an XKCD comic. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xray the Enforcer Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 [quote name='Ran' post='1513561' date='Sep 11 2008, 08.04']That's actually an XKCD comic. :)[/quote] :rofl: oh, the irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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